War in the East Open Beta Update 1.12.02

[thedoctorking]

The Axis supply issues in the 41GC will clear up a bit as your rail repair advances. My opponent in the game we are playing now, Elloboloco, has managed to push forward on a pretty much historical schedule. I've avoided huge pocketing maneuvers so far by staged withdrawals.

Here's the front line at the end of soviet turn 11:

[Ridgeway]

You need to look at how many Axis units are isolated each turn -- the isolation rules have changed (perhaps unintentionally). The big new change is anyone more than 25 hexes from the RH (at the beginning of the turn, before conversion) is isolated. Units lose morale every turn when isolated, so there is a double whammy: The units are getting no fuel, so they cannot move back to their supply source, and each turn kills their morale.

In the older version, it was just the 100 MP rule that caused "isolation"

[OberGeneral]

First run through start of Turn 11 for me.

https://puu.sh/EJ8zA/e0c2169215.png

[OberGeneral]

Situation at End of Turn 4 after Air Lifting 68 tons of fuel into 1st Panzer Group.

https://puu.sh/EJhrE/b9900cf121.png

XXXXVI Panzer Corps Supply Detail - No fuel Air Lifted to it.

https://puu.sh/EJht2/26cf5cbb6e.png

[thedoctorking]

In both cases, no ammo. This might be a previously unrecognized problem with the patch.

[OberGeneral]

At the beginning of Turn 5 nothing changed![:@] Units attached to XXXXVI got very little fuel and fuel in the HQ's were identical to above.[&:][&:]
I will take a break from this until after the next patch. Hoprfully it will fix things.

[thedoctorking]

I'd say go back to 1.11.03 for a fully functional version. 1.12 is beta for a reason.,

[OberGeneral]

That's why I am playing it and reporting bugs here. I am beta testing.[:)]

[alty59]

In the learning phase so I keep playing 1.11.03, but thank's everyone to make a better 1.12 version^^.

[ErickRepie]

Btw 1.12.03 can shatter and make surrender unit without pocketing and that's very real & refreshing indeed.

[malyhin1517]

ORIGINAL: OberGeneral

Other things that have changed are: In turn 1 I could capture Minsk but not Riga. In 1.12.02 it's the other way around.[&:] One thing that didn't change is I can still do the Lvov pocket in turn 1!![:)]

For moreover, to advance Germans in the first turn was realistic, need to reduce MP on the first turn respectively shortened week! We have a week of only 5 days, and the time is the same as in the usual! I tried in his scenario reduce MP on 20% and in a result and Riga impossible to seize on first turn, nor Lvov pocket! And with the second turn, they are restored and the game goes as usual!

[morvael]

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Soviet aircraft are only getting to use about 15-25% of their allowed miles in the Soviet turn due to lack of fuel/ammo. This on turn 11 of a 41GC where most resource and fuel factories are still Soviet controlled. I think there's got to be something done about this.

And what does the logistics report say? You should see there if there's a shortage of rail capacity, vehicles or both. These will reduce deliveries to units.

[malyhin1517]

I wonder why the Germans do not get supplies from the cities nearby? They promised that it would work? In fact, the German headquarters ceases to receive supplies at all even with less than 50 MP from the railway!

[Nekronion]

Any news on a new version? [:)]

[thedoctorking]

ORIGINAL: morvael

ORIGINAL: thedoctorking

Soviet aircraft are only getting to use about 15-25% of their allowed miles in the Soviet turn due to lack of fuel/ammo. This on turn 11 of a 41GC where most resource and fuel factories are still Soviet controlled. I think there's got to be something done about this.

And what does the logistics report say? You should see there if there's a shortage of rail capacity, vehicles or both. These will reduce deliveries to units.

Oddly, it says we have gotten 91% of our ammo supply, but it is like 10% of what we were getting in 11.03. Has the calculation of supply expenditure changed from version 11?

[56ajax]

It would appear that one mission uses about 50% of the ammo and fuel on an airbase. So a squadron is on like 11% travel and the airbase is down to less than 10% ammo and fuel

[thedoctorking]

I wonder if the issue is that for some reason air bases are not asking for enough fuel and ammo? So even though they have plenty of trucks and are sitting on or very near rail lines, they just aren't requisitioning enough. I know that in 1.11 games, a Soviet air base with 100 planes or so on it would have like 300 ammo and 500 fuel under normal circumstances.

[chaos45]

could also be that the storage amounts based on aircraft totals was adjusted to low...as airfields have always stacked supply/fuel based on how heavily used they are to my knowledge.

[thedoctorking]

The thing is that you can easily use that 3-500 fuel and ammo in a normal week's attacks without running out of miles on the planes.

I've noticed in playing against the Axis in the early turns that it is really easy to run their bases out of fuel/ammo and then bomb the dickens out of them on the ground. Fun, but hardly historically accurate, I think.

[chaos45]

ya is what I was saying above basically....that when the Airbase asks for Fuel/ammo/supply at the start of the turn it asks for that supply based on aircraft, it would seem that the airbases this patch edition may not be asking for enough of those items at the start of phase.