How much

[htuna]

Actually I believe JD is correct

Dragon Elefant kit

[Pipewrench]

colberki

can you remember what you paid for WIR way back when? I purchased it when I was single so the price never registered but after I was married and picked up "second front" my wife reminded me for 2 months about the $50.00 budget shortfall, (canadian dollars).

ah, good times in the cave with the lights turned low, manual open and disk in my hand.....[:)]


lol, just checked amazon and second front is going for $49.99 (new) $24.44 used. That game has been out 20 years and it only lost half its value.

There is your selling point for WitE, play it for 1000 hours and sell it for at least half of what you paid.

[blastpop]

I wish the price issue was not so hush hush on Matrix games end. If I knew the price I could plan on buying WiTE or if its to much, I could buy something else from their catalog instead.

[Ken7]

Hi all.. Im really looking forward to this game. My wife has informed me that it will be one of My Christmas Presents.. woohoo for moi... [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: cmurphy625

Actually I believe JD is correct

Dragon Elefant kit

Warspite1

It was an attempt at humour.....[&:]

[JudgeDredd]

sorry cmurphy625 - thanks for the correction - but I have to tell warspite1 I got it [:D]

It must be that British humour - it's so damn subtle it'll catch you out everytime [:D]

[JudgeDredd]

What does make me laugh about the Elefant was they made it so damned impregnable...but the tracks could easily be destroyed, rendering it COMPLETELY useless as it had no turret

I always found the idea of a tank without a turret a liability. I know the turret and body joint is an achilles heel in itself, but it could be argued that tracks could be hit and disable the vehicle much easier than hitting the join between the turret and the body.

[Noakesy]

ORIGINAL: JudgeDredd

What does make me laugh about the Elefant was they made it so damned impregnable...but the tracks could easily be destroyed, rendering it COMPLETELY useless as it had no turret

I always found the idea of a tank without a turret a liability. I know the turret and body joint is an achilles heel in itself, but it could be argued that tracks could be hit and disable the vehicle much easier than hitting the join between the turret and the body.

IIRC I think most (if not all) models also came without a machine gun for taking out pesky russian AT infantry, but not 100% sure about that.

[JudgeDredd]

No - they were eventually fitted out with them - I can't remember the battle where that particular flaw was identified, but subsequent models were fitted with the machine gun - initially they had no MG

But again...without a turret you are vulnerable on 3 other approaches and only protected on one front - if your tracks are blown

[htuna]

It was at Kursk they saw the prob. They were then fitted with them in Italy.

[Adam Parker]

LOL. It was Anzio [:D]

[Ron]

Stating the obvious, the price point issue is entirely personal and subjective. From the dedicated hardcore who would pay almost anything to the lowballer looking for cheap, cheap; most of us wargamers fall somewhere in between. Let's face it, this is a game, a piece of entertainment. It is not a need but a luxury, and with that said it is only worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it, and a lot of us do have internal set, price limits. I do think valid comparisons can be made with other computer games and the dollar value they offer, though perhaps not directly.

The crux is not to lockout or alienate a majority of your potential market by setting the bar too high. For myself, I think value and too high a price were the determining factors in not purchasing BftB; a recent release where there was a fair outcry over the perceived excessive price. As a supporter of all of the developer's games up to that point, it came across as gouging for what in effect was simply a scenario pack with a few modifications to the engine. WitE is a 'new' game and quite unique, so doesn't suffer from that history and perhaps may command a higher price point. Personally, I don't think I have ever spent more than $60 on a computer game. I am a huge fan of Eastern Front warfare, including books or boardgames, so I am the intended market. I'm just not sure how much more I am willing to pay for the privilege of playing a game.

[htuna]

It actually was called the Ferdinand when it was at Kursk, when it was refitted with the MG, it was then dubbed the Elefant

[Lützow]

And the previous name Ferdinand was given as an appraisal to Ferdinand Porsche.

[WilliePete]

ORIGINAL: Adam Parker

LOL. It was Anzio [:D]

amazing vehicles they were! I recently watched an excellent video on youtube about the restoration of an Elephant that was captured at Anzio. Aberdeen Proving Grounds has one of the two left in the world. Anyone know where the other surviving Elephant is?

[Crimguy]

Kubinka Tank Museum, Moskva!

Konyeshno! Everyone knows that!

[CaptBeefheart]

I remember pre-ordering Campaign for North Africa for $20 (or $25?), which was a lot of lawns mowed at the time, and it finally came out quite late and costing a fair amount more (but SPI sent it to me for the original $20 or 25). Every time I saw a UPS truck while walking home from school I thought it was delivering my game.

Anyway, those of us who own businesses (or simply know business or taken Marketing 101 or whatever) understand Matrix's pricing--you try to find the price point which optimizes your profits, not which pleases the most grognards. For one, I'll likely plunk down $80 for this, as it looks like another WITP-AE in terms of being a time killer, and through the decades I've come to respect Gary, Joel and Keith as game designers. Now if I could just refrain from buying other interesting titles which I play infrequently...

Cheers,
CC

[Adam Parker]

ORIGINAL: WilliePete

ORIGINAL: Adam Parker

LOL. It was Anzio [:D]

amazing vehicles they were! I recently watched an excellent video on youtube about the restoration of an Elephant that was captured at Anzio. Aberdeen Proving Grounds has one of the two left in the world. Anyone know where the other surviving Elephant is?

Yeah I saw a documentary series on History Channel where they restore armor. They had the Elefant on recently. What's it called?

Tank Overhaul? Love that show!

[Lützow]

To approach the price discussion once again from a different side: How about evaluating if there is any demand for a CE, including a fully-fledged color book? I would purchase it for collector's purpose. However, if Matrix just releases the standard edition with a printed 100+ pages b/w documentation, I'll rather stick with the cheaper download version.

[steveh11Matrix]

Sadly, it's going to be too spendy for me this side of Christmas - but I'll be looking to buy it soon after... [:)]