Pelton(GHC) vs smokindave34 Turn 211 Game Complete DRAW

[sillyflower]

ORIGINAL: Steelwarrior7

Bitter end for whom though ;-D

The end of T3 apparently if you read the thread 'fine I'll play the ....ing germans' in the 'opponents wanted' section.

2 turns is my shortest. I wouldn't mind if an opponent asked if he could give up a hopeless struggle, or even said that he was going to, but only 1 ever has

[Peltonx]

Spring offensive begins.

Dave almost gets a major pocket in north.

Good thing I have allot of forts.

[Peltonx]

Another clear turn and Dave almost gets 2 more pockets.

Rivers are becoming factors in the fight.

[Peltonx]

Turn 208

[Peltonx]

Mud

[Peltonx]

The last turn before a draw is called. Based on data I think I could hold out for at least another 6 months or until the rivers froze so Dec 45.

[Peltonx]

Manpower pool is 8k and armaments at 236,000. There are allot of men stuck in 43 Rifle squads, because of some bug that get fixed .08. Other then that everything looks good.

[Peltonx]

OOB is amazing to say the least compaired to other games.

[sillyflower]

A German win in my book, not a draw.

Good to see a game go all the way - to the credit of both players.

[M60A3TTS]

ORIGINAL: sillyflower

A German win in my book, not a draw.

Good to see a game go all the way - to the credit of both players.

I'd go along with this. Pelton did much of what he needed to do in 1941 to cripple Soviet industry and narrowly missed a VP win in 42. Based on where the final battle lines were drawn, looks like a minor German victory to me. Also, Dave is great not just because he is skilled, but because he is willing to play a game out to the finish. There aren't enough players like that to be found.

[Peltonx]

210

[Peltonx]

Thanks guys and yes Dave is a great player.

This is my first game to make it to end.

Its a draw by the ruleset so a draw in my book, I screwed up and should have won at 260, but I did not.

I am happy that I screwed up so we could play out game and see how things really work 44+

Big thanks to morveal/D-man for the many fixes which enable us to finish.

[smokindave34]

Just sent the last turn off to Pelton. I agree this was certainly an axis victory. I still believe that if Pelton pushed hard enough he could have gotten to 260VP in '43. I'm glad we played it out since so few games make it to the very end. My take:

1) Pelton had an excellent summer offensive in '41. He pushed to the gates of Moscow and held his ground in front of Moscow throughout the blizzard
2) Pelton's '42 offensive was decisive. I managed to hold Moscow but he chewed up units each turn and pushed me to parts of the map I had never played on before (never good)
3) I lost too much industry in '41 to ever fully recover. Even into '45 I was desperate for T-34's and my armored units didn't have the "bite" they should have
4) The damage to my industry also made it very difficult to keep my army supplied. Once the lines were shortened I was disbanding units that I didn't need in order to improve my supply situation.
5) I wouldn't play with no +1 and mild blizzard again. No offense to Pelton....he doesn't need that advantage.

Thanks for the game Pelton and congratulations on your victory. I demand a rematch when WITE 2 is released.

Final turn. 3rd Guards Mech corps and 2nd Guards Tank Corps 90km from Berlin....oh so close.

[Mehring]

Since this is not a game of chess but purports to be a simulation of East Front WW2, an unquestionable Russian victory. If you think Hitler carried out the war on the basis of hex/turn ratios to Berlin, you are happily lost in game world and have lost sight of real war objectives.

Aside from stacking all the game variables apart from opponent, in the Axis' favour, to have come so close in game to a plausible real world victory and squandered it for a technical "game" draw points to a gaminess that I, personally, find anything but admirable. Pelton has drawn the game by its letter and decisively lost it in spirit.

[Peltonx]

ORIGINAL: smokindave34

Just sent the last turn off to Pelton. I agree this was certainly an axis victory. I still believe that if Pelton pushed hard enough he could have gotten to 260VP in '43. I'm glad we played it out since so few games make it to the very end. My take:

1) Pelton had an excellent summer offensive in '41. He pushed to the gates of Moscow and held his ground in front of Moscow throughout the blizzard
2) Pelton's '42 offensive was decisive. I managed to hold Moscow but he chewed up units each turn and pushed me to parts of the map I had never played on before (never good)
3) I lost too much industry in '41 to ever fully recover. Even into '45 I was desperate for T-34's and my armored units didn't have the "bite" they should have
4) The damage to my industry also made it very difficult to keep my army supplied. Once the lines were shortened I was disbanding units that I didn't need in order to improve my supply situation.
5) I wouldn't play with no +1 and mild blizzard again. No offense to Pelton....he doesn't need that advantage.

Thanks for the game Pelton and congratulations on your victory. I demand a rematch when WITE 2 is released.

Final turn. 3rd Guards Mech corps and 2nd Guards Tank Corps 90km from Berlin....oh so close.

Under the current ruleset the game is a draw.

We did play under the old logistics system in 41 and old 42 rule set. I doubt I do that good under .07+

At least with morveal/D-man's hard work we did not run into any game ending bugs, which caused allot of games never to get to the end.

I accept your demand for a rematch and you will be my 1st HvH game.
I plan on taking at least 6 months to do me vs me testing. Plus as we have seen with both releases allot of nasty bugs,
generally game killers. Was several years before all the swapping/ammo ect ect issue were found that crashed games getting
into late 43. WitW release was much better so hopefully 2.0 release will go as good.

and thank you again morveal and D-man for your hard work getting out the 1000's of bugs/issues so games can be completed now [&o]

Thanks for the great game Dave