A small WW2: AAR Stelteck (USSR) Vs HardLuckYetAgain(Not USSR): (No HardLuckYetAgain please)

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: bigbaba
...i would not want to face him in a dark alley.

Why would you even consider playing WitE in a dark alley?

[MrBlizzard]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Turn 12 : 09 September 1941 !!!

Really ? This is bullshit lol !!! [:@]

The ennemy was not able or not willing to pursue offensive to cut the railroad to the port supplying Leningrad, but prefer to gently smashed though 3 lines of well prepared defenses at Leningrad to take the port. Easy.
I prepared these lines from day one of the invasion....

The ennemy first crushed 2 fortified levels 2, one in a swamp, then panzers crossed the large river and destroyed a fortification level 3. And still had some steam to take the fortified port just behind.



The third decisive battle with turn, the crossing of the river. LOL.
The garnison of moscow began to faint.
In the south, according to plan.
The collapse of Leningrad is a huge blow. And he did it where i was the strongest.

Is trying to resist a viable strategy in 1941 ? I think i would have been in better chape with no more land lost by taking all my army in the caucasus to train during 1941.... [:D]
My defense is completely useless.

these battle results are quite common but they always leave me stunned and disappointed.
In manual it is said that attacking across a large river units get a huge disruption AND PLAYERS CAN ANTICIPATE A REDUCTION IN OVERALL CV OF UP TO HALF FOR MINOR RIVERS AND UP TO TWO THIRDS FOR MAJOR RIVERS !!! (It sounds correct )

Look here, Germans attacked across the Neva, a big river, and got their CV DOUBLED !!! it's six times more than one should expect.
There's something to revise IMHO...

[vonik]

It's especially disappointing because 900 Panzers "attacking" across a major river would :

a) find not enough place to get in a firing position .
b) have nothing to fire at anyway
c) get slaughtered by megatons of hidden ATG playing hide and seek
d) get bombed and mortared to oblivion .

One has to realize that if 900 Pz were on 10 km shore of a major river, it would make 1 Pz every 10 meters !
So basically their contribution to the infantery crossing would be minor and to make cross 900 Pz on pontoon bridges Under fire would make a traffic jam that would need 2 weeks to untangle

[EwaldvonKleist]

@Blizzard: As I understand the manual, the CV are not reduced directly, but through the disruption the attack over the river causes.
@vonik: I imagine such attacks like this: There is definitely not enough space for 900 tanks and all infantry to fight at the same time. But the artillery of all three divisions can support the attack and the commander can shuffle around the forces so they can fight for three days day and night.

[MrBlizzard]

ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist

@Blizzard: As I understand the manual, the CV are not reduced directly, but through the disruption the attack over the river causes.

Stelteck made me notice that the CV reduction is applied to starting CVs.
If you look at the battle report you can see that panzerdivisions begin the attack with only 57 and 63 CV , these clearly are already reduced values!
Edit: It's here that disruption strikes [:)]

[Stelteck]

Turn 13 : 11 september 1941

Leningrad did not hold at all and despite air drop fall to the hands of the german troops.

The battle is other in the north, and now i'am performing a huge rail effort to return troops to others part of the front.



The south did not hold either, because of all the renforcement i sent north.

I'am building some defenses around voronev and Roskov.

[Stelteck]

Turn 14 : 18 september 1941.

Ongoing effort to reposition my troops under german pressure.

Moscow and Leningrad in german hand.

[Stelteck]

Turn 15 : 25 september 1941.

The ennemy reached Roskov and Voronev

[Stelteck]

Turn 16 : 02 October 1941

The ennemy stopped all offensive operation to began to built a huge line of defense especially in front of moscow.



He even stopped offensive in the south, despite he could probably took voronev&roskov. Of course it will be easier to do it eventually in 1942.

[Stelteck]

So as operation looks others, here some stats :

Industries evacuation were not a huge success. Still i'am not convinced that this level is low enough to really forbid me to rebuilt.



Looses are heavy :



My army did not grew too much until today :



Victory point looks very bad.

[Stelteck]

I SURRENDER !!!!





I started the game with the strategy of defending Leningrad first. But against my opponent tactics to concentrate all panzers in a rush against moscow, it was a loosing strategy. Moscow fall very quickly with a lot of looses.

After that, i could have aimed for the long game by concentrating my troops south to keep a lot of industries and ground where my opponent was weak, but instead i prefered to try an hail marry / all or nothing strategy to protect Leningrad.
I failed in an horrible way. (And it was probably not a realistic plan from the start).

So now not only i lost Leningrad and Moscow, but also i have huge looses (600K more men lost relative to my previous game with Pelton at the same date).
I did not even managed to save industries&ground in the south.

I may be still capable to rebuilt an army (by running a lot in 1942 to avoid looses) and return in the fight in 1943 from the deep caucasus&ural, but the bitter end scenario is unforgiving, moscow/Leningrad upon 3 years will give so much points it would be really hard to return in the race, especially with the south also gone.

So i prefer to surrender. Congratulation for my opponent for this master-full invasion of the soviet union.

[MrBlizzard]

Nice AAR even if quite short, your opponent is very talented and axperienced he put in action an amazing blitzkrieg!

[HardLuckYetAgain]

I want to thank Stelteck for a game well fought. Stelteck wanted to do an AAR from the very beginning which I was against.
So I put in a delaying factor of turn 7 before any posting for a couple of reasons. Even after turn 7 Stelteck still wanted to do an AAR after what happened. So I relented and said if you want to you can but totally not necessary.

I have nothing but good words for Stelteck being a very honorable person. I wish him the best in his futures games. May our paths meet in the future.

Good luck and thank you Stelteck!

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain

I want to thank Stelteck for a game well fought. Stelteck wanted to do an AAR from the very beginning which I was against.
So I put in a delaying factor of turn 7 before any posting for a couple of reasons. Even after turn 7 Stelteck still wanted to do an AAR after what happened. So I relented and said if you want to you can but totally not necessary.

I have nothing but good words for Stelteck being a very honorable person. I wish him the best in his futures games. May our paths meet in the future.

Good luck and thank you Stelteck!

I'm currently real busy doing work & another family emergency . I will read through this AAR over the next few days and make comments. Sorry, just too many things going on in my life now.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: vonik

Very good first turn .
The Germans (almost) succeeded to create 3 (!) concentrical encirclement rings in the South what is quite rare .
If he could really close the third circle, your whole Southern Front in Ukraine would evaporate in 2 turns

Creating the 3rd ring in the south is hard, but can be done with some precise movement and unit re-arrangement. BUT, the Soviets can easily open that pocket back up. So instead of closing the last circle it is just as efficient to have that 3rd area surrounded with no where to move to for the Soviets.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: STEF78

Hardluckyetagain is a very good player. I lost to him in 12 turns.

He went through VK to Moscow and is a master of logistics. You will face HQBU turn after turn.

Good luck.

Your AAR's are "far" superior than my game play [&o] Thank you and all other people that take the time to produce these works of art [:)]

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

In this case it might not hurt to bring your AAR fully up to date. I think you can trust HLYA not to look at your stuff.

You'll need to get a couple MiGs out of Moscow to save half your later IL-2 production if Moscow isn't already surrounded.

Stelteck did an absolutely fabulous job of getting the majority of the industry out of Moscow.