Hermann (Axis) Vrs Dinglir (Soviet) - Hermann welcome

[Telemecus]

turn 15 in spirit if not actual attachment? [:)]

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: Telemecus

turn 15 in spirit if not actual attachment? [:)]

Well, it was rather uneventful...

[Dinglir]

Turn sixteen.

[M60A3TTS]

Unless there is some spectacular turnaround, you should have this one easily.

[Dinglir]

Turn seventeen.

[Stelteck]

Your tank production is very high probably because you did not transfered factories of leningrad and Kharkov yet. Congratulation.

A funny think is that even if Leningrad is encercled and supplied only by sea, you are still probably able to evacuate factory from here at any time.

In my current game Odessa is encercled and i still can evacuate factory from Odessa. (Sea evacuation of factories is working).

[Telemecus]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Sea evacuation of factories is working.

That is a major learning point for me. The manual does give the impression that only rail not sea evacuation works. That means there is no gain for the Axis just getting the Germans to the coast of Lake Ladoga. And Dinglir has more turns in hand to get Leningrad industry out if needed.

Can industry be evacuated port to port using only sea transport cap e.g. Odessa/kerch to say Batumi. In which case, assuming sea transport is not scarce, they can all be evacuated effectively for free i.e. not using any rail cap?

[Stelteck]

Evacuation of industries when no railroad are available.. (Like my Odessa). Still need Railroad capacity. (And double coast if adjacent to ennemy, so i will not evacuate it).

It is more an exploit than a planned feature in my opinion.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: Stelteck

Your tank production is very high probably because you did not transfered factories of leningrad and Kharkov yet.

Actually, I have evacuated all the tank production from both cities. The result is a massive overall increase in tank production.

[GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel]

ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

Unless there is some spectacular turnaround, you should have this one easily.

Yes, it would seem it is easy to learn the Russian side of things.

Berlin in 44 would seem the normal out come.

Very hard to find good German player.

If Dinglir uses his cavalry units the right way during blizzard this could end up like my 2 games with a general
all out offensive in 1942.

Dinglir don't waste allot of AP building gun SU's in 41 or 42, just build sappers.

Good luck and grats on your win.

[Hermann]

ahem.... speaking as the defeated, wraithlike figure in the background... I've about 200 campaigns under my belt Herr Generalfeldmarschall, please don't write me off.

[Stelteck]

The war just started !!!

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
Yes, it would seem it is easy to learn the Russian side of things.

Berlin in 44 would seem the normal out come.

I guess one has to conclude, that if I win, it must be because the game is lopsided in favor of the Soviets and not because of skillfull play on my part [;)]

[Dinglir]

Turn eighteen to twentytwo.

[HardLuckYetAgain]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel
Yes, it would seem it is easy to learn the Russian side of things.

Berlin in 44 would seem the normal out come.

I guess one has to conclude, that if I win, it must be because the game is lopsided in favor of the Soviets and not because of skillfull play on my part [;)]

The skew levels of the game is not as lopsided as people lead to believe them to be. There is always some in all games but 99% of the games is decided by the skill level of the people playing the game.

[Dinglir]

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
The skew levels of the game is not as lopsided as people lead to believe them to be. There is always some in all games but 99% of the games is decided by the skill level of the people playing the game.

I guess I both agree and disagree on that one. I do admit that I haven't got hundreds of games to back this opinion with statistics, but so far it seems to me that:

If two complete noobs play against each other (same skill level), I'd say the Soviet player would win any time.

If two good players (same skill level) play against each other, I'd say the Germans are the favorites if the game is "Bitter End". In sudden death or standard rules, much depends on whether the Soviet player has a strategic or a tactical mindset.

If two top level players play against each other, I have no idea what would happen.

Of course, if one player is significantly more skilled than the other, he would win any time.

[Crackaces]

ORIGINAL: Dinglir

ORIGINAL: HardLuckYetAgain
The skew levels of the game is not as lopsided as people lead to believe them to be. There is always some in all games but 99% of the games is decided by the skill level of the people playing the game.

I guess I both agree and disagree on that one. I do admit that I haven't got hundreds of games to back this opinion with statistics, but so far it seems to me that:

If two complete noobs play against each other (same skill level), I'd say the Soviet player would win any time.

If two good players (same skill level) play against each other, I'd say the Germans are the favorites if the game is "Bitter End". In sudden death or standard rules, much depends on whether the Soviet player has a strategic or a tactical mindset.

If two top level players play against each other, I have no idea what would happen.

Of course, if one player is significantly more skilled than the other, he would win any time.

I might offer that there is no true 'noob' "panzerballer" since so there are multiple threads highlighting optimal opening moves getting past at least the first point of a German failure.
One other thought .. home rules with blizzard/+1 attacks can alter play balance dramatically. Thus I might propose that an expert German with mild winter will prevail against the very best ..

[Dinglir]

Turn twentythree

[EwaldvonKleist]

If two top level players play against each other, I have no idea what would happen.

Would be really interesting to follow AARs Hardluck vs. Mktours vs. MichealT or vs. some other good Players like VigaBrand and Pelton so we can found fan clubs

Alread looking forward to your winter counterattack Dinglir.

[EwaldvonKleist]

ORIGINAL: Hermann

ahem.... speaking as the defeated, wraithlike figure in the background... I've about 200 campaigns under my belt Herr Generalfeldmarschall, please don't write me off.

How did you manage to play 200 Grand campaigns (?) since release? Around 30-40 per year, most people struggle like me struggle to do even 2 or 3.