Pelton (GHC) vs KWG (WA) GHC Victory

[KWG]

ALLIES INVADE NORMANDY!

The Longest Week


5 Beachheads - 4 east of swamp hex, 1 north west swamp hex.

1 Airborne in swamp hex. More toward Cherboug.

Recons were showing the left flank of beacheads, Bayeux-Caen area, to be too strong of a area for a Airborne drop. So the right flank, toward Cherboug, was chosen.

All forces hit empty beaches and no opposition was encountered until moving inland.

VII corps, lead by Patton assaults inland. Germans are pushed back. We could have moved some forces into the area but not enough to ensure a complete hold, so Patton settles for Zone of Control.


Lots of good air battles. Luftwaffe is still formidable, but taking big losses. Forgot to take pics.

!!! Allied Infantry divisions can be made to field as many AFVs as a German Panzer Division !!!

[KWG]

The State of German forces in Normandy.

I have just done my Air Phase, waiting to do the Ground.
Germans have reoccupied ground they were thrown out of last turn.

Supplies and especially ammo looking low. Fuel so-so.

[KWG]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

ORIGINAL: KWG

Where to invade.


Amsterdam - Flanders
The plodder terrain has the same good and bad as does the hedgerows of Normandy.
Best location for a drive on Germany.

Pas de Calais
Lots of ports, open terrain. lots of open terrain at border with Picardy.
Close to shortest drive on Germany.

Picardy
Lots of open terrain, small towns with ports, one big port at Le Harve.

Normandy
Hedgerows both good and bad. Few ports.

Brittany/Poitou
Lots of open terrain for mobile warfare. Hunting fields for Allied aircraft.
Farthest from Germany but this is the same for Germans.

With all regions having positive and negative, it almost begs for a double invasion - together or weeks apart. Or a maximum effort at one point.

One thing to keep in mind, if you invade initially in only one zone, he will be required to still garrison all the other zones. I would try to keep an invasion entirely within one zone initially for this reason; it will effectively pin something like 200-250 AV, which is alot, especially on top of the garrison in N. Italy

You also have a decision to make on that Anzio beachhead. You probably have to maintain an AMPHIB there, or evacuate it. Tough call. It's tying down German troops, and he will keep units there to prevent a breakout. I would probably leave it for now, and roll with 7 amphibs in France, just my opinion.

As far as the regions, Pas de Calais is unfortunately broken up by ports, so that is not a good spot IMO. Holland is a good place to land secondarily, but it's too easy to get pinned to the polders. I favor Brittany or Picardy, but that's just me....Normandy a possibility, though bocage is a problem. At least in Normandy, Cherbourg should be an easy grab.

Ive waited to reply for intel reasons and will say a little, because my invasions may not be over.
Garrisons are key in deciding where to invade. Thats why Italy looks so good because it has no garrison for awhile and it forces Germans to keep troops in other places.

Id though about landing in Italy in '43 get my 10 hexs, dig in. Then do the same in France, then VP bomb a victory.
I could even do that now and get a tie and maybe a slim victory.
Both of those ideas are too.....Tacky.

Without Anzio we would not have had "The Wall".

Ports... a curse and a blessing.

[Peltonx]

Turn 49 VP: 69 Manpower Pool: 29,000
WA Loses: 256,000
GHC Loses: 268,000

Turn 51

WA Loses 273,350
GHC Loses 326,564

WA loses over 3 turns; 17,000
GHC loses over 3 turns: 58,000

DoH

ratio: 1 to 3.4

I mean really how hard is that to figure out my 5 yr old can do that math.

I am looking at data not sure what fairytale your looking at, but my 5 yr old would really like to
know what story that is cause he like to read it.



He picked the smiley because hes not sure why you cant do the math being at least 30+ yrs older them him

[Peltonx]

On the Italian Front a few hexes are lost and 3 divisions are being railed to the front and several Panzer Divisions have been moved back to the border between France and Italy
to be held in reserve waiting for the standard 2nd invasion in the Med.

[Peltonx]

Turn 50 VP: 38 Manpower Pool: 38,000
WA Loses: 263,000 7,000
GHC Loses: 289,000 21,000

Combat Ratio: 1 to 3 Historically it was almost 1 to 1 during 1944 minus surrenders.

Both sides lost slightly over 200,000 men each during the Normandy fighting, again this does not include surrenders. I am not sure on Italian Front loses, but I guess they be about the same.

no pictures for me this turn.

A sample of combat engine, but a turn after the invasion Germany loses 3x as many troops as WA's?

and I thought WitE combat engine was off.

Need more data to be sure, ten turns should give a solid ratio.

http://www.britannica.com/event/Normand ... n-of/40555

[KWG]

In Italy Monty's Legions attack. HAIL MONTY! HAIL MONTY'S LEGIONS!

[KWG]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Turn 50 VP: 38 Manpower Pool: 38,000
WA Loses: 263,000 7,000
GHC Loses: 289,000 21,000

Combat Ratio: 1 to 3 Historically it was almost 1 to 1 during 1944 minus surrenders.

Both sides lost slightly over 200,000 men each during the Normandy fighting, again this does not include surrenders. I am not sure on Italian Front loses, but I guess they be about the same.

no pictures for me this turn.

A sample of combat engine, but a turn after the invasion Germany loses 3x as many troops as WA's?

and I thought WitE combat engine was off.

Need more data to be sure, ten turns should give a solid ratio.

http://www.britannica.com/event/Normand ... n-of/40555

It might be as WAD
I had more losses than you up until right before DDay ( Operation Godwinson). That is when Operation Zeus went into action.

...more to edit.....

[Peltonx]

Loses are total loses, which is the only why to count out FoW

They are total loses on loses screen.

Same way we do it on EF.

Need to have at least 5 turn blocks, that was for 1 turn which could be different then WitE engine.

But it is what it is.

[KWG]

ORIGINAL: Pelton

Loses are total loses, which is the only why to count out FoW

They are total loses on loses screen.

Same way we do it on EF.

Need to have at least 5 turn blocks, that was for 1 turn which could be different then WitE engine.

But it is what it is.

I think I understand what you are saying. I was referring to my total losses being more than yours up to right before DDay.
I should have said WAP - Working As Planned in reference to Operation Zeus and the effect it should be having on your forces.

Ive been doing a part of a turn, saving-doing something else, then returning.
Working or taking a walk down to the river to contemplate my next action for the turn.
Playing the AI is fun but this system really shines when playing a human.

[KWG]

Ground losses so far during week 50.

[KWG]

Air Sorties week 50

[KWG]

8th Army Advances and clears the valley of German forces. A probe north reveals German forces stronger than intel had originally reported.

[KWG]

Patton retakes ground and sees an opportunity to advance.

Eisenhower flies into Normandy and is Jeeping his way to VII Corps HQ as details must be confirmed ,decisions made and actions taken.

Churchill sends a personnel letter to General Bradley congratulating him on the success of Operation Zeus and its impact on the "Godwinson" invasion.

Engineers get a captured King Tiger tank towed to a area where it can be inspected.

[KWG]

May not be able to complete my turn until Thanksgiving or maybe Wed. night.
I do not want to rush as there are several options available.

I can move 3 divisions into the conquered hex and do, I think, 2 hasty attacks with all three. Or I can do a planned attack with one and a hasty with 2 or 3 depending on which i want to do first.

I still have to keep my attack hex strong as it is my beachhead. My attacking forces are flanked by strong, SS heavy forces with deadly toys. So if I advance and attack, my forces still need to be strong enough to withstand a counterattack and my beachhead must also be strong.

I could advance and not attack at all this turn and be in very good shape to attack the 22-X NW forces next turn, but that could result in a opportunity lost.

I see possibilities to make things difficult for the Germans. i think there is a depot in the 1-9 hex St. Lo.
There is a chance to put the entire German left wing into peril.

I cant be 100% of the strength of enemy forces, except maybe the individual units thrown out of the attacked hex. As my intel in the above attack in Italy said that the defense of the fallschirmjäger wass only 7, and it turned out to be 52. Numbers may not also matter as one has to take into account equipment and what German reinforcements may show up.

[KWG]

Eisenhower takes Divisions from other Corps and a 3 Division planned attack is made possible.
Patton sends out 3 Armor Divisions in a planned attack led by the powerful 4th Canadian Armor division.
Striking southeast they bowl over the German defenders, routing the 9th Panzer Division.

[KWG]

turn 50

Have decided not to advance into the won hex with 4th Canadian Armor. It will weaken the entire advance too much, in light of the strong German forces in the vicinity.

Still have a major event to decide whether to do this turn or later.


German to Allied losses are 5-1 so far this week.
Guns 16-1
AFVs 1-1.5

[KWG]

My highest scoring fighter units in each theater.

[KWG]

Interdiction levels week 50

[KWG]

Interdiction levels week 50

In the Valley.... Italy.