The World at War ELO Tournament

[redrum68]

[ELO Ended]

Ktonos (axis) [LOSS] v. redrum68 (allies) [WIN]

Axis surrender Feb '41 as France continues to hold on with UK support. Slow start for the Axis as they only invaded the Netherlands not Belgium in 1939 which allowed the Allies to reinforce and hold much of Belgium taking advantage of the great defensive terrain.

Good game from Ktonos with fast turn times.

[oldAHgamer]

Game ended, Fafnir (Axis) WON vs OldAHgamer (Allied) LOSS:
Fafnir did a successful Sealion and wiped out my Russians by mid-42 - couldn't seem to catch a breath the whole game - just unrelenting attacks...this was my second loss as Allies vs Fafnir - really trying to figure out an Allied defence against a super aggressive Axis player...will keep looking and testing!

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

Game ended, Fafnir (Axis) WON vs OldAHgamer (Allied) LOSS:
Fafnir did a successful Sealion and wiped out my Russians by mid-42 - couldn't seem to catch a breath the whole game - just unrelenting attacks...this was my second loss as Allies vs Fafnir - really trying to figure out an Allied defence against a super aggressive Axis player...will keep looking and testing!

Successful Sealion and a head splitting in Russia mid-1942. Ouch. And you're a Top 10 player.

I don't think there's an ELO Administrator anymore

[ThunderLizard11]

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I don't think there's an ELO Administrator anymore

I raised this point last week and crickets. EarlyDoors is gone at least for the time being.

A few options:
* See if someone can pick-up where EarlyDoors left off
* Start over with a new ladder table
* Call it the end of ELO and move on

Interested in opinions from long time ELOers and new comers alike.

[Pekkavilamoura]

If Earlydoors vanished and there is no one who can take over (as it seems) I would go for Option 2 - start a new ladder table. But obviously it's a lot of work so it should be someone really committed to do it.

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

It's there a "free" Ladder-ELO type website which can do all the math, all the time? How was Early Doors updating statistics, anyone else know how. No clue who original set it up or how was run. Was already here when I showed up.

Here's the website: http://scwaw-rankings.com/

hasn't been updated since May.
EarlyDoors hasn't posted since August 1st, sent him a message.

Anyone got a clue, I don't.

[petedalby]

The Land set it up originally. Try sending him a PM? I'm away otherwise I would do it.

Better to build on the existing if we can. Otherwise start from scratch.

[HarrySmith]

I agree with Pete, if possible better to build off the existing one.
If that can't be achieved then I think you put current rankings in a new database to start with using current win/loss records and if someone is keen they can go through and add the games played since. I would also suggest having at least 2 or 3 administrators so if someone disappears there are others to continue. The real issue is how the point system works.

[HamburgerMeat]

ELO Ended
Decisive Allied victory

HamburgerMeat (axis) vs Redrum68 (Allies)


Very good meticulous defense by my opponent. With the buffs to the USSR, weather changes, and national morale changes, a pure barbarossa strategy is very risky as it requires consistent momentum. While my opening was successful, the weather worsened and the germans were stopped at the gates of Moscow. Axis did not have close to enough MPPs to continue the war.

[ThunderLizard11]

I agree with Pete, if possible better to build off the existing one.
If that can't be achieved then I think you put current rankings in a new database to start with using current win/loss records and if someone is keen they can go through and add the games played since. I would also suggest having at least 2 or 3 administrators so if someone disappears there are others to continue. The real issue is how the point system works.

Agree - how to operationalize?

[petedalby]

Still no word from Early Doors. I have sent a PM to the original author The Land.

[HarrySmith]

HarrySmith (Allies) wins vs PanzerRommel (Axis) Oct 45. Axis fought to the end with Germany and Japan both surrendering Sep 45 and the Italians Oct 45. A hard fought competitive game with excellent return moves. An earlier Italian invasion got crushed.

[Bavre]

ELO started:

Ktonos(Allies) vs Bavre(Axis)

Standard ELO rules +
-No Italian warships out of the med while neutral (transports are ok)
-no scouting with any neutral Italian ships (including transports) outside the Med

ELO ended:
Bavre (Axis) defeats Ktonos (Allies)

VERY agressive Allies in this one. Brits took out almost all german and italian surface ships, but lost half the RN including 3 CVs and 8 DDs in the process. This severely compromised antisub capabilities and the grey wolves went on a rampage.
Air war was similarly brutal. Allies managed to bind a lot of german funds, but XP gains skyrocketed. I couldn't max out my german bomber fleet till the end of 42, but had 2 str 13 fighters in early 41
Brits and Commonwealth forces landed in Yugo during the coup and managed to bind most of the "Balkan Axis" forces, but again at a very high cost. Almost like a second Gallipoli...

[petedalby]

Still no reply from Early Doors or The Land on how the ELO ladder works.

Does anyone have a recommendation on a similar system we can use?

[ElvisJJonesRambo]

The Land and Early Doors are MIA (Missing In Action)
Could actually upgrade that to Desertion.
Very odd, they'd just bolt. Hopefully their health is okay.

What does that website need, a login?
Pete, could you check the website out, maybe ask them for a login? It's just a fun game thing, not like it's a bank account, maybe we'll get it.

Maybe it's time for Matrix to make a build in ladder (aka ELO) system within their software.

Lets keep what we got going. We could also start a mini-Legend league.

I'm a celebrity. So I need to make my appearances, to collect my fees

[petedalby]

Yep - still no replies although The Land may now have picked up my PM. I have also reached out to the guy who last ran the ELO ladder on WiE but that folded in 2022.

I have tried the website but drew a blank.

It occurs to me that we could retain a much simplified ladder. Just recording the number of games played with a win / loss ratio. Not as sophisticated as ELO but it would provide an indication of player experience. And probably way easier to manage.

I will pull something together over the next few days and post it to gauge reaction. Better than nothing at all.

[HarrySmith]

HarrySmith (Axis) win vs PanzerRommel (Allies) loss
Allies resigned March 45 after successful German Landing in UK, Russia surrendered 44, China Feb 45. India on the ropes. Another good hard fought game with daily turn rate.

[HarrySmith]

Yep - still no replies although The Land may now have picked up my PM. I have also reached out to the guy who last ran the ELO ladder on WiE but that folded in 2022.

I have tried the website but drew a blank.

It occurs to me that we could retain a much simplified ladder. Just recording the number of games played with a win / loss ratio. Not as sophisticated as ELO but it would provide an indication of player experience. And probably way easier to manage.

I will pull something together over the next few days and post it to gauge reaction. Better than nothing at all.

Sounds a good plan to me Pete and I would like to thank you for the effort you are putting into this.

I think the good thing about ELO is the being able to play competitively and for upcoming players to learn tactics and strategies from more experienced players. I know I have personally learnt a lot.

[Pekkavilamoura]

Yes this simplified ladder is exactly what I was thinking of. It indicates played experience and in the end of the day the best players will appear at the top anyway, even if not ranked so sophisticated as in ELO system. And MUCH easier to administrate!!
Thank you Pete for your efforts.

[petedalby]

Just playing around with options. Can anyone else open this?

Test:

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