Soviet mobilization at 7% in Oct '40?

[ThunderLizard11]

Why is Soviet mobilization so low? It's almost not worth continuing this MP match as I have no MPP for research or anything else. Is this a big or exploit or something?

[PvtBenjamin]

My experience is if you are playing a skilled player and both sides are optimizing mobilization with no major country diplomacy that SU mobilization is in the low 20's (no Lithuania) by late '40.

So you are either making poor mobilization decisions (see attachment) or your opponent is investing ( & hitting) SU diplomacy.

I always stipulated no major country diplo at the beginning of my games to avoid ridiculous outcomes like yours.

Read the attachment closely (some have probably changed some) to optimize SU diplo.

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.a ... =&#4473885

[stormbringer3]

One thing I noticed playing vs. the AI is that if I say yes to the Finnish intervention and the Allies succeed the Russians take a pretty big hit. I now always say no.

[PvtBenjamin]

These are some Biggies



#NAME= DE 202 - French Communist Party Banned (USSR->Axis)
#POPUP= The USSR Views The Banning Of The French Communist Party As A Hostile Move
#LINK= 202[1] France: Ban the Communist Party and Detain Their Militants? (AI - 75% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1939/11/01
;3-5% activation increase towards Axis
Germany politically aligned with Axis and not surrendered

#NAME= DE 401 - USSR Attacks Finland in the Winter War (USSR->Axis)
#LINK= 401[1] USSR: Attack Finland in the Winter War? (AI - 100% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1939/11/30
;3-5% activation increase towards Axis
USSR politically aligned with Allies but not fully mobilized

#NAME= DE 406 - USSR Invades Poland (USSR->Axis)
#LINK= 406[1] USSR: Order the Red Army to advance into Poland? (AI - 100% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1939/09/17
;5-5% activation increase towards Axis
USSR politically aligned with Allies but not fully mobilized

#NAME= DE 204 - Frustrated By Anglo-French Interference In Finland, Stalin Grows Colder Towards The West
#POPUP= Frustrated By Anglo-French Interference In Finland, Stalin Grows Colder Towards The West
#LINK= 204[1] France: Send an Anglo-French Expedition to Support Finland? (AI - 50% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1940/03/12
;8-12% activation increase towards Axis
USSR politically aligned with Allies but not fully mobilized

#NAME= DE 412 - The USSR Accepts the German Offer of a Revised Borders and Friendship Treaty (USSR->Axis)
#LINK= 412[1] USSR: Accept the German Offer of a Revised Borders and Friendship Treaty? (AI - 100% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1939/09/28
;5-5% activation increase towards Axis
USSR politically aligned with Allies but not fully mobilized

#NAME= DE 413 - The USSR Accepts the German Offer of a Revised Borders and Friendship Treaty (USSR->Axis)
#LINK= 413[1] USSR: Accept the German Offer of a Revised Borders and Friendship Treaty? (AI - 100% Yes)
#TRIGGER= 100
#DATE= 1939/09/28
;5-8% activation increase towards Axis
USSR politically aligned with Allies but not fully mobilized

[ThunderLizard11]

I "won" the Finland Expedition so that hosed my mobilization by 8-12%. I also took the ban communism event - not sure that was a good idea. Which decisions do most people make for MP?

[PvtBenjamin]

No to both - Thats your issue

202 - NO

401/406 - YES

204 - NO

412/13 - NO

[ThunderLizard11]

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

No to both - Thats your issue

202 - NO

401/406 - YES

204 - NO

412/13 - NO

Got it - that's a bad game design issue IMHO. Why have an event that craters your game?

[Markiss]

If I am not mistaken, winning the Finland Expedition makes Finland lean Allies pretty strongly. This would mean that they would not join Axis automatically when Barbarossa begins, and that is a pretty big deal. And you get free units out of it to boot. So, even though the Soviets mobilization takes a hit, the Allies get enough out of it that, by itself, this is not game breaking.

Banning the French Communists makes the French last longer, which depending on your strategy, may or may not make sense. Again, not game breaking by itself.

But, when both options are taken, the combined effect is rather profound. Especially if you mix-in maybe a poor decision on the Molotov-Ribbentrop revision, then you have something that may be game breaking, but it is the players choice to do these things together. You have to keep track of your gambles, try not to arrange them so that the odds stack-up against you. If you do something to reduce Soviet mobilization, try to do something else to raise it.

A nasty gamble is to take full advantage of all the things that reduce Soviet mobilization, then rely on major-power diplomacy to bring it back up. Risky, but the results could be spectacular.

[ThunderLizard11]

ORIGINAL: Markiss

If I am not mistaken, winning the Finland Expedition makes Finland lean Allies pretty strongly. This would mean that they would not join Axis automatically when Barbarossa begins, and that is a pretty big deal. And you get free units out of it to boot. So, even though the Soviets mobilization takes a hit, the Allies get enough out of it that, by itself, this is not game breaking.

Banning the French Communists makes the French last longer, which depending on your strategy, may or may not make sense. Again, not game breaking by itself.

But, when both options are taken, the combined effect is rather profound. Especially if you mix-in maybe a poor decision on the Molotov-Ribbentrop revision, then you have something that may be game breaking, but it is the players choice to do these things together. You have to keep track of your gambles, try not to arrange them so that the odds stack-up against you. If you do something to reduce Soviet mobilization, try to do something else to raise it.

A nasty gamble is to take full advantage of all the things that reduce Soviet mobilization, then rely on major-power diplomacy to bring it back up. Risky, but the results could be spectacular.

I haven't played WiE in a while- been focused on WaW. Forgot how all these decisions stack.

[PvtBenjamin]

ORIGINAL: ThunderLizard2

ORIGINAL: PvtBenjamin

No to both - Thats your issue

202 - NO

401/406 - YES

204 - NO

412/13 - NO

Got it - that's a bad game design issue IMHO. Why have an event that craters your game?

Against a skilled Axis attack in MP the SU is going to win the game for the Allies so mobilization is most important.

The DE's make the game more interesting for newer players and add to the complexity of the game. I somewhat agree with your point and think if the game had more DE's with variable results it would add more interest. I would bet 90% + of the DE's are answered the same in the Europe MP game by experienced players.

[Ericovan]

Thank you. My slow reply is because I tested your recommendation and mobilization through correct choices is key. However, I also tested Diplomacy (at 150 MPP per chit) and that can compensate (as Markiss points out).

[Ericovan]

Thank you. My slow reply is because I tested your recommendation and mobilization through correct choices is key. However, I also tested Diplomacy (at 150 MPP per chit) and that can compensate (as Markiss points out).