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[sPzAbt653]

The supply levels range from 1 to 5 so they restock it very quickly.

The supply levels range from 38 to twenty something and restock almost nothing.

At 5 per turn for a 15 turn scenario, the most the northern units would get is 75. At 38, the southern units would get over 100 in three turns. So the description of the situation doesn't make sense. Something isn't in the pictures.

[EddieTheTrooper]

So it is a bug, or what? Look at this picture(it's from turn 5)and this battalion had 27 supply points at the end of turn :

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Now, one turn later it restock only 2 points of supply!

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[sPzAbt653]

If you did watch the video, then you should have an understanding that the number on the map doesn't necessarily indicate the amount of supply a unit will receive.

This unit got 6 this turn.

[rhinobones]

If you did watch the video, then you should have an understanding that the number on the map doesn't necessarily indicate the amount of supply a unit will receive.

After being re-supplied the armored unit’s attack factor went up (as expected) and the defensive factor went down (not expected). Same with a couple other units in the screen shot. I find that rather curious.

Regards, RhinoBones

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[Curtis Lemay]

So it is a bug, or what? Look at this picture(it's from turn 5)and this battalion had 27 supply points at the end of turn :

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Now, one turn later it restock only 2 points of supply!

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Something weird is going on. Note that the friendly unit strengths have plumeted from the end of 5 to the start of 6. I would think that the enemy had heavily bombarded them in its turn, but a check of the scenario shows no air units for that side. Could there be a shock effect invoked that turn?

Edit: It can't be shock, since that would have changed the supply values.

[EddieTheTrooper]

I don't know what is going on.
I am playing another scenario and once again I have this problem. It is La Drang 65. After some fighting I moved some of my units to Pleiku for rest and resupply. Although the supply level there is 23 as I remember they restock only few points of supply after few turns! They will be useless for the rest of the game

[Lobster]

It isn't the number you see on the map. It can be modified by a number of factors.

[rhinobones]

It isn't the number you see on the map. It can be modified by a number of factors.

The player shouldn’t have to do fuzzy math to guess supply availability. When a formation is selected the total supply (base supply + any modification) should be displayed. The actual supply would be calculated and displayed as each formation is selected. This would tell players exactly what’s happening with supply and remove the need for people to make estimates, i.e. WAGs. Wish Bobby would make a functional, useful change instead of dabbling with charisma and leaders.

Regards

[EddieTheTrooper]

I Agree.

It isn't the number you see on the map. It can be modified by a number of factors.

Ok, but what other factors? From manual I remember there is formation supply efficiency as a factor that modify the amount of supply unit will receive but it doesn't explain this situations.
What other factors explain unrealistic situation when my units near supply source receive almost no supply and my air cavalry units deep in jungle don't have this problem. I assume my air mobile units receive supply by air, but still my units in Pleiku sits on a supply source. So what factor can stop them from receiving supply there?

And in previous game which describe here before, most of my units didn't recover their supply for entire game even those units in good supply situation. The game is still in progress so I can't judge if my supply lines were cut,if that could explain it, but I doubt that

[Lobster]

You could post the turn and maybe people could take a look at it.

[HerrDak]

I Agree.

It isn't the number you see on the map. It can be modified by a number of factors.

Ok, but what other factors? From manual I remember there is formation supply efficiency as a factor that modify the amount of supply unit will receive but it doesn't explain this situations.
What other factors explain unrealistic situation when my units near supply source receive almost no supply and my air cavalry units deep in jungle don't have this problem. I assume my air mobile units receive supply by air, but still my units in Pleiku sits on a supply source. So what factor can stop them from receiving supply there?

And in previous game which describe here before, most of my units didn't recover their supply for entire game even those units in good supply situation. The game is still in progress so I can't judge if my supply lines were cut,if that could explain it, but I doubt that

[rhinobones]

Below, two paragraphs from the manual describing Supply Distribution Efficiency. This may answer some of your questions regarding the problems you’ve encountered.

9.1.7.5. Formation Supply Distribution Efficiency
Each Formation has a Supply Distribution Efficiency, which is a percentage value reflecting the Formation’s ability to distribute supplies from the Force Stockpile to units in the Formation. This value is set for each Formation in a Scenario and means different things for different types of Formations. It considers everything from dedicated organic transport capability to the mindset of the troops responsible for getting the goodies to the troops.

16.2. The Formation Report (Advanced Rules)
This window shows all available information for one Formation. You can access this Report by clicking the Formation Button on the Button Panel, via the Unit or OOB reports, by hitting 'F' on the keyboard, or by right clicking on a unit in the Map Panel and selecting Show Formation Report.

The data pane at the top of the window shows the Formation’s current Status, Support Scope (how well its units cooperate with units of other Formations), Proficiency, and Supply Distribution Efficiency.

[MonkeyBrain3]

In another word TOAW has always some voodoo mumbo jumbo so that you never knows 100%

Old TOAW jokes:

When we asked Raver 20 years ago how he can have 9 PBEM games at the same time he said(golden COW days....):

"I watch playback while I am taking a shower, or ironing clothes"
))

[rhinobones]

Let's turn the Voodoo into numbers we can all understand. For any unit, just how much of the supply value shown in its hex will it absorb?

Is the calculation for gaining supply something like this:
Hex Supply Value X Formation Distribution Proficiency X Unit Proficiency X HQ Bonus = Supply Gained ?

In numbers it might be:
70 (Hex Supply Value) X 0.80 (Formation Distribution Proficiency) X 0.60 (Unit Proficiency) X 1.5 (HQ Bonus) = 50 (Supply Gained)

Does Unit Readiness factor into the calculation in any way?
Who can shed some light on this mystery? Maybe the programmer . . . Bobby?

Regards

[Curtis Lemay]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 9#p4591519

[rhinobones]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 9#p4591519

Appreciate the link. But as you know, answers evolve into more questions.

The graphics below show settings for global and individual Formation Supply Distribution Efficiency.
Question, does the individual unit proficiency factor into the resupply calculations?

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There are also two questions regarding manual paragraph 9.1.7.5.

9.1.7.5. Formation Supply Distribution Efficiency
Each Formation has a Supply Distribution Efficiency, which is a percentage value reflecting the Formation’s ability to distribute supplies from the Force Stockpile to units in the Formation. This value is set for each Formation in a Scenario and means different things for different types of Formations. It considers everything from dedicated organic transport capability to the mindset of the troops responsible for getting the goodies to the troops.

How does FSDE differ among formations? What are the different formation types?

How is organic transport troop mindset factored into supply calculations?

Appreciate any clarity you can provide.

Regards, RhinoBones

[Curtis Lemay]

https://www.matrixgames.com/forums/view ... 9#p4591519

Appreciate the link. But as you know, answers evolve into more questions.

The graphics below show settings for global and individual Formation Supply Distribution Efficiency.
Question, does the individual unit proficiency factor into the resupply calculations?

9.1.7.5. Formation Supply Distribution Efficiency
Each Formation has a Supply Distribution Efficiency, which is a percentage value reflecting the Formation’s ability to distribute supplies from the Force Stockpile to units in the Formation. This value is set for each Formation in a Scenario and means different things for different types of Formations. It considers everything from dedicated organic transport capability to the mindset of the troops responsible for getting the goodies to the troops.

How does FSDE differ among formations? What are the different formation types?

How is organic transport troop mindset factored into supply calculations?

Appreciate any clarity you can provide.

Regards, RhinoBones

Force Proficiency and Unit Proficiency have no impact on resupply.

FSDE is just a scalar (as per the equation I provided), regardless of what verbage Ole Norm used to rationalize it.

[cathar1244]

I wonder if there is no reason not to set force supply to 100 and moderate supply flow by formation.

Especially considering how many formations can now be defined for a scenario.

Heavy artillery formation? Less supply than an infantry formation. Think Soviet 300mm rocket launcher brigades in 1945. Likewise, tank formations should be harder to resupply than leg infantry.

Cheers