Anemic Pearl Harbor Strikes

[GoTraurig]

Intro:

Ok, so either I'm incredibly unlucky, doing something very wrong, or I am experiencing a bug.

I have been using a hotseat game to experiment a bit before starting my PBEM Scenario 2 game as Japan with the unofficial beta.

The Problem

Over the last few days I have done about 15 Pearl Harbor strikes; with several unusual results:

My most effective strike sank two BBs and had one more significantly damaged.

I'd estimate about six of the strikes sank a BB, with the rest not sinking any. Generally there's a couple of BBs with a damage in the low 60's, but the rest would repair up within 120 days.

When I look at the Kate torpedo expenditure for the entire KB it's always between 0 and 54 with 18 and 27 predominant.

In my last three attempts I've only sunk a DM, so I got frustrated and came here asking for help. While I understand that two BBs sunk is roughly historical, I barely met that standard in one out of fifteen attempts - something's not right.

My Setup:

Changes from default for KB (for testing I only modify the one tf's orders): I turn remain on station on. I replace the captains of Shokaku and Soryu with ones that have good air skill. I put all the zeroes on airfield attack - I've tried it strafing from 100 and bombing from 10k feet.

This leaves Vals port striking from 10k feet (I know they supposedly can bomb the airfield without much strike power reduction vs the BBs, but I'm desperate to do anything to the US fleet right now) and Kates bombing the port from 9k feet.

Goals:

Once I get verification that I'm setting the strike up adequately, I'll post up some combat results.

[Erkki]

ORIGINAL: GoTraurig

Intro:

Ok, so either I'm incredibly unlucky, doing something very wrong, or I am experiencing a bug.

I have been using a hotseat game to experiment a bit before starting my PBEM Scenario 2 game as Japan with the unofficial beta.

The Problem

Over the last few days I have done about 15 Pearl Harbor strikes; with several unusual results:

My most effective strike sank two BBs and had one more significantly damaged.

I'd estimate about six of the strikes sank a BB, with the rest not sinking any. Generally there's a couple of BBs with a damage in the low 60's, but the rest would repair up within 120 days.

When I look at the Kate torpedo expenditure for the entire KB it's always between 0 and 54 with 18 and 27 predominant.

In my last three attempts I've only sunk a DM, so I got frustrated and came here asking for help. While I understand that two BBs sunk is roughly historical, I barely met that standard in one out of fifteen attempts - something's not right.

My Setup:

Changes from default for KB (for testing I only modify the one tf's orders): I turn remain on station on. I replace the captains of Shokaku and Soryu with ones that have good air skill. I put all the zeroes on airfield attack - I've tried it strafing from 100 and bombing from 10k feet.

This leaves Vals port striking from 10k feet (I know they supposedly can bomb the airfield without much strike power reduction vs the BBs, but I'm desperate to do anything to the US fleet right now) and Kates bombing the port from 9k feet.

Goals:

Once I get verification that I'm setting the strike up adequately, I'll post up some combat results.

In my latest PBEM (AAR on these forums) I struck PH for 3 days and failed to sink a single ship. Thats right. OK maybe DD McDonough. [:D]The first day only half of the torpedo bombers flew (distance 3 hex). Out of the 6 x 3 minus 3 = 15 torpedo bomber unit sorties flown only 5 used torpedoes. Dig that. [;)]

EDIT: I also lost nearly 120 planes and pilots against perhaps 80 Allied. Their losses would have been smaller had they not tried piecemeal conga-line attacking the KB.

[khyberbill]

I also lost nearly 120 planes and pilots against perhaps 80 Allied. Their losses would have been smaller had they not tried piecemeal conga-line attacking the KB.

You probably lost most of those on the 2nd and 3rd days. Several postings have indicated that after the first strike, the AA gets very effective.

[khyberbill]

I'd estimate about six of the strikes sank a BB, with the rest not sinking any.

In my PBEM with John3 with the Reluctant Admiral Mod, not a single BB was sunk and John3 is a very experienced player. I think in 7 or 8 PBEMs I have only lost one or two BB's the first day.

[LoBaron]

Looks good.
Wasn´t AAA increased in strenght over the betas? This could lead to worse
results as compared to before beta if planes are hit prior to bomb release.
Try to up the altitude a bit, say 12-14k and look how many 800kg/Torp hits you
score on the big ships.

Before I forget: There were "only" 2 BBs lost at PH. So your best result is in
accordance to reality - at least considering what the term "ships sunk" on game
terms. [;)]

[Erkki]

ORIGINAL: khyberbill

I also lost nearly 120 planes and pilots against perhaps 80 Allied. Their losses would have been smaller had they not tried piecemeal conga-line attacking the KB.

You probably lost most of those on the 2nd and 3rd days. Several postings have indicated that after the first strike, the AA gets very effective.

60 lost on day 1, of 43 were Zeroes. Every each Zero pilot was also KIA or MIA. They had the standard mission of strafing the airfields...

However that was DaBigBabes in latest beta and not the official latest official and scen 1.

[GoTraurig]

Erkki and khyberbill: While it is somewhat comforting to hear that others are experiencing poor strikes, only one attack, out of the fifteen or so I performed, sank two BBs. The rest were significantly weaker than the average results I'm seeing from AARs and even what was historical.

My understanding is that there are many random factors that go into determining whether the Kates are equipped with torpedoes, how many strike aircraft fly, the enemy flak effectiveness, and the Kate attack accuracy (there probably are several factors here I'm missing as well).

The result of these factors should have the attacks range from the extremes of no initial strike at all to every battleship getting sunk at Pearl Harbor in the first strike. I don't claim to know what the distribution of the probabilities of each is, but my understanding is that the results should average out to roughly what was historical in game terms - two BBs sunk and quite a few damaged. Thus, I'm quite upset when only one of 15 strikes is even close to the average I'm seeing for others.

[GoTraurig]

LoBaron: I don't know whether the AAA strength was increased, but that would normally be a reasonable explanation. However, Bandkanon, my prospective opponent, with the same version as me, did three tests with exactly the same settings (he was eager for me to get the PBEM started). Two of his strikes sank two BBs along with significant damage to the others (a suitable and roughly historical result) while the third completely decimated BB row, 5 sunk and two in danger of sinking. He is confident that I'm just unlucky or being whiny.

I'll increase the altitude of the Kates and Vals and report the results back. Additionally I'll generate some results using my initial settings. I guess the best result would be that my strikes magically start working normally and my earlier streak will be just chalked up to extreme bad luck.

[GoTraurig]

Results of first three tests with Kates and Vals at 12k feet (Note that I'm not cherry picking these):

Test 1:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid detected at 98 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 36 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 54
      B5N2 Kate x 72
      D3A1 Val x 126
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      A6M2 Zero: 15 damaged
      A6M2 Zero: 7 destroyed by flak
      B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
      B5N2 Kate: 2 destroyed by flak
      D3A1 Val: 3 damaged
      D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 32 damaged
      P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
      PBY-5 Catalina: 119 damaged
      PBY-5 Catalina: 6 destroyed on ground
      B-17D Fortress: 25 damaged
      B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
      C-33: 2 damaged
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 25 damaged
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
      B-17E Fortress: 12 damaged
      B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
      P-36A Mohawk: 17 damaged
      P-36A Mohawk: 2 destroyed on ground
      O-47A: 9 damaged
      O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
      B-18A Bolo: 31 damaged
      B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground
      A-20A Havoc: 10 damaged
      A-20A Havoc: 2 destroyed on ground
      R3D-2: 1 damaged
      R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
      F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 damaged
 
Allied Ships
      DD Helm, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
      BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
      BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
      BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
      BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DMS Perry, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      AV Wright, Torpedo hits 1
      BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3,  heavy fires
      BB California, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 2,  on fire
      BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DMS Wasmuth, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      DM Ramsay, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      CL Phoenix, Torpedo hits 1
      AV Tangier, Bomb hits 1
      DD Reid, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      CM Oglala, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      CL St. Louis, Bomb hits 1
      DM Sicard, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      29 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Repair Shipyard hits 5
Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 66
Port hits 17
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
      12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      24 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
       9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
       2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
CAP engaged:
18th PG/6th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 10000
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes
 
Training flight from 18th PG/6th PS has been caught up in attack
 
 
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BB Maryland sank after this attack. 54 torps were used.

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Test 2:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid detected at 114 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 42 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 90
      B5N2 Kate x 72
      D3A1 Val x 126
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      A6M2 Zero: 21 damaged
      A6M2 Zero: 10 destroyed by flak
      D3A1 Val: 1 damaged
      D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-36A Mohawk: 5 damaged
      P-36A Mohawk: 2 destroyed on ground
      PBY-5 Catalina: 144 damaged
      PBY-5 Catalina: 7 destroyed on ground
      B-17E Fortress: 12 damaged
      B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
      P-40B Warhawk: 46 damaged
      P-40B Warhawk: 3 destroyed on ground
      B-17D Fortress: 20 damaged
      B-17D Fortress: 3 destroyed on ground
      B-18A Bolo: 34 damaged
      B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed on ground
      F4F-3 Wildcat: 2 damaged
      F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
      A-20A Havoc: 32 damaged
      A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 33 damaged
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 3 destroyed on ground
      O-47A: 9 damaged
      O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
      R3D-2: 2 damaged
      C-33: 4 damaged
 
Allied Ships
      DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1
      BB Nevada, Bomb hits 7,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      BB California, Bomb hits 5,  on fire
      BB Arizona, Bomb hits 6,  on fire
      BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 5,  on fire
      BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 4
      BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3,  on fire
      BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 4,  on fire
      PG Sacramento, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      DD Patterson, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      DD Jarvis, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      AD Rigel, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1
      BB Maryland, Bomb hits 1
      DM Tracy, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      41 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
 
 
Repair Shipyard hits 14
Airbase hits 40
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 88
Port hits 13
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               City Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      16 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
      15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
      18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
 
 
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No torpedoes were equiped. Only 1 BB has any significant damage. Also funny to note that dauntlesses inflicted 2 sys damage and broke 4 AA guns with a strike on CV Kaga because the airfield wasnt closed down.

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Test 3:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107
 
Weather in hex: Clear sky
 
Raid detected at 109 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 40 minutes
 
Japanese aircraft
      A6M2 Zero x 54
      B5N2 Kate x 72
      D3A1 Val x 126
 
 
 
Allied aircraft
      no flights
 
Japanese aircraft losses
      A6M2 Zero: 18 damaged
      A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed by flak
      B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
 
Allied aircraft losses
      P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 43 damaged
      P-40B Warhawk: 2 destroyed on ground
      B-18A Bolo: 27 damaged
      B-18A Bolo: 2 destroyed on ground
      PBY-5 Catalina: 81 damaged
      PBY-5 Catalina: 4 destroyed on ground
      B-17D Fortress: 29 damaged
      B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
      A-20A Havoc: 10 damaged
      A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
      F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 damaged
      F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 32 damaged
      SBD-1 Dauntless: 1 destroyed on ground
      P-36A Mohawk: 16 damaged
      P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
      B-17E Fortress: 11 damaged
      O-47A: 6 damaged
      R3D-2: 1 damaged
      R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground
      C-33: 2 damaged
      OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed
 
Allied Ships
      BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
      BB California, Bomb hits 14,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      BB Maryland, Bomb hits 6,  heavy fires
      DD Case, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
      CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 3
      BB Arizona, Bomb hits 4,  on fire
      SS Narwhal, Bomb hits 1,  heavy damage
      BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 9, Torpedo hits 1,  heavy fires
      AO Ramapo, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
      BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1,  on fire
      BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 6,  on fire
      BB Nevada, Bomb hits 2,  on fire
      DD Schley, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      AM Bobolink, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires,  heavy damage
      CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      xAK Laida, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      DD MacDonough, Bomb hits 1,  heavy fires
      AV Wright, Bomb hits 1,  on fire
      DD Selfridge, Bomb hits 1,  on fire,  heavy damage
 
 
Allied ground losses:
      11 casualties reported
         Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
         Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
         Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
 
 
Repair Shipyard hits 10
Airbase hits 32
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 62
Port hits 20
Port fuel hits 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
      13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 12000 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
      17 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
               Airfield Attack:  2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
       6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
               Port Attack:  1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
       8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
      19 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
               City Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
       4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
               Port Attack:  1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
 
CAP engaged:
18th PG/19th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
      0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
      Group patrol altitude is 10000
      Time for all group planes to reach interception is 5 minutes
 
Training flight from 18th PG/19th PS has been caught up in attack
 
 
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18 torpedoes used. BB Oklahoma sunk. Not much damage to BBs otherwise.

Uploading images?

I have screenshots of the damage to the BBs saved in paint as a .png file, but I don't know how to upload images here.

[GoTraurig]

Airstrikes at default altitudes: Zeroes at 100ft, Kates at 9k ft, and Vals at 10k ft.

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Test 1:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 119 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 44 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N2 Kate x 72
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 17 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 5 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged
D3A1 Val: 1 destroyed by flak

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 8 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 30 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 4 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 76 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 5 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 43 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 5 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 19 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 8 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 9 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 26 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 15 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 5 damaged
C-33: 1 damaged

Allied Ships
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 9
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 5, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 8, heavy fires
BB California, Bomb hits 5, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
CL Detroit, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1
SS Dolphin, Bomb hits 1
CL Helena, Bomb hits 1
DD Downes, Bomb hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled


Repair Shipyard hits 12
Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 63
Port hits 13
Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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27 Torpedoes used. No BBs sunk.

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Test 2:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 76 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 28 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 54
B5N2 Kate x 72
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 17 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 3 destroyed by flak
B5N2 Kate: 4 damaged
D3A1 Val: 4 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
P-40B Warhawk: 1 destroyed, 42 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 3 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 9 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 82 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 4 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 35 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
B-18A Bolo: 24 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 2 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 7 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 13 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
C-33: 4 damaged
C-33: 1 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 13 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 6 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB California, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 3, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
BB Nevada, Torpedo hits 3, heavy damage
BB Tennessee, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 3, heavy fires
DD Bagley, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Bomb hits 1, on fire
CM Oglala, Torpedo hits 1
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 1
PT-27, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
AE Mauna Loa, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Torpedo hits 1
AM Tern, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1
CL Helena, Torpedo hits 1
xAK Laida, Bomb hits 1


Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Repair Shipyard hits 4
Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 76
Port hits 16
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
8 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
15 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
5 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
2 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
18th PG/19th PS with P-40B Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 7 minutes

Training flight from 18th PG/19th PS has been caught up in attack


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The first good result from my tests. 2 BB sunk with all but one with significant damage. 72 torps used. A minisub got a torp hit on Tennessee, but still a very good result.

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Test 3:

Morning Air attack on Pearl Harbor , at 180,107

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 104 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 38 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 90
B5N2 Kate x 72
D3A1 Val x 126



Allied aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 11 damaged
A6M2 Zero: 11 destroyed by flak
D3A1 Val: 3 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
C-33: 2 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 42 damaged
B-18A Bolo: 3 destroyed on ground
P-40B Warhawk: 45 damaged
P-40B Warhawk: 5 destroyed on ground
A-20A Havoc: 19 damaged
A-20A Havoc: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17D Fortress: 24 damaged
B-17D Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
PBY-5 Catalina: 104 damaged
PBY-5 Catalina: 5 destroyed on ground
SBD-1 Dauntless: 30 damaged
SBD-1 Dauntless: 2 destroyed on ground
O-47A: 9 damaged
O-47A: 1 destroyed on ground
B-17E Fortress: 16 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 destroyed on ground
P-36A Mohawk: 7 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 3 destroyed on ground
F4F-3 Wildcat: 8 damaged
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed on ground
R3D-2: 1 damaged
R3D-2: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
BB Pennsylvania, Bomb hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CL Honolulu, Torpedo hits 1
DD Ralph Talbot, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB California, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 2, on fire
BB Tennessee, Bomb hits 8, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Maryland, Bomb hits 4, Torpedo hits 1
CA San Francisco, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
BB Oklahoma, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2
BB West Virginia, Bomb hits 6, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Dale, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DM Preble, Bomb hits 1
CL Detroit, Torpedo hits 1
BB Nevada, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 4, on fire, heavy damage
CL Raleigh, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Arizona, Bomb hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DMS Trevor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
PC Reliance, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk


Allied ground losses:
41 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled


Repair Shipyard hits 8
Airbase hits 38
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 87
Port hits 16
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
27 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
13 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
City Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
15 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
11 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
18 x B5N2 Kate launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 18in Type 91 Torpedo
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
17 x A6M2 Zero bombing from 100 feet
Airfield Attack: 2 x 60 kg GP Bomb
13 x B5N2 Kate bombing from 9000 feet
Port Attack: 1 x 800 kg AP Bomb
9 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
14 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
10 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
1 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
7 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
3 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 1000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
City Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 3000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb
4 x D3A1 Val releasing from 2000'
Port Attack: 1 x 250 kg GP Bomb



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No BBs sunk - one is in sinking condition. Two BBs got hit by midget sub torps also. 45 torps used by KB.

[ny59giants]

Check the setting on each of your CVs for your Kates. Each of your attacks shows only 72 Kates.
KB - Akagi, Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku (27 x 4 = 108) & Hiryu and Soryu (18 x 2 = 36). Total = 144

Only half are being used for Port attack. Why??

[GoTraurig]

Ok, I'd realized my strike force was weaker than it should be, but I didn't notice how consistent it was. Only 72 out of 144 Kates flying pretty much explains my results and the low torpedo usage. My zeroes sometimes don't go at full strength either, but that's not too big of a deal.

ny59giants: After reading your message I tried three more attempts - double checking the settings of each of the Kate groups. Twice I still only got 72 Kates. One time I had 117 fly. Now I'm pretty confident that my settings were correct on my previous tests, but this is interesting.

At first I thought it might have something to do with the fact that, by default, the Kates on the Shokaku and the Zuikaku are set to airfield attack - but even assuming those don't fly, the strikes should have had 90 Kates, so I can't explain it.

I'm pretty confident that every single Kate group was set to Port attack with target Pearl Harbor at 9k feet.

Folks, now that I think we've identified the problem, any ideas on how to fix it or why it's happening?

[Lanconic]

It isnt just Pearl. Same thing happens at Manila. I got better results switching to bombs

[crsutton]

I would not place too much effort in worrying about it. It is a nice plum to knock off half a dozen BBs at Pearl on the first day. However, it has little impact on the game. The old American BBs are useful at times but are not what wins the war for the Allied player or loses it for that matter. Go ahead and start you game. What you are worried about is really insignificant, and you are going to have a lot of fun regardless of the results.

[GoTraurig]

crsutton: While I agree that the results of the strike are largely irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, my main concern is getting KB to perform strikes properly. KB is, of course, one of Japan's most important strategic assets - being unable to regularly launch more than half the Kates on a strike significantly dampens the offensive strength of the attack. While the initial PH strike might not be game deciding, it's quite possible that a CV battle in mid-1943 could be.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: GoTraurig

Ok, I'd realized my strike force was weaker than it should be, but I didn't notice how consistent it was. Only 72 out of 144 Kates flying pretty much explains my results and the low torpedo usage. My zeroes sometimes don't go at full strength either, but that's not too big of a deal.

ny59giants: After reading your message I tried three more attempts - double checking the settings of each of the Kate groups. Twice I still only got 72 Kates. One time I had 117 fly. Now I'm pretty confident that my settings were correct on my previous tests, but this is interesting.

At first I thought it might have something to do with the fact that, by default, the Kates on the Shokaku and the Zuikaku are set to airfield attack - but even assuming those don't fly, the strikes should have had 90 Kates, so I can't explain it.

I'm pretty confident that every single Kate group was set to Port attack with target Pearl Harbor at 9k feet.

Folks, now that I think we've identified the problem, any ideas on how to fix it or why it's happening?

This line may solve the riddle.

When you change mission (e.g. from AF attack to Port attack), any preset target gets lost. Is it possible that you switched the squads to port attack
but forgot to reselect PH as target? (the target selection should read "commanders decision" in that case, which can also explain why some Kates still participated)

[GoTraurig]

LoBaron: Yes, I considered that too. I'm pretty sure the targets for all of them were Pearl Harbor. I'd been setting them by using Kaga's airgroups to set the settings and then clicking the button to generalize the orders for all the Kates in the TF. After that, I would double-check each of the Kate groups to make sure they were set correctly.

However, you just made me realize that when I take Kaga's Kate group and say set all torpedo bombers to the same settings it switches Shokaku and Zuikaku's Kates to port attack but still has the target set as Pearl Harbor. I'm wondering if the target actually was deselected even though it still claims Pearl Harbor was set? I'll test this by individually setting each CV and see the differing result (now that I've thought of this, it seems a bit ridiculous that I hadn't tried this earlier).

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Check the setting on each of your CVs for your Kates. Each of your attacks shows only 72 Kates.
KB - Akagi, Kaga, Shokaku, Zuikaku (27 x 4 = 108) & Hiryu and Soryu (18 x 2 = 36). Total = 144

Only half are being used for Port attack. Why??

Actually I've noticed this as well. Even when I get the full strike of 144 kate/val I rarely sink anything day 1 (could be the difficulty setting I guess). Basically, unless I get a magazine explosion critical hit, the BBs take 2-3 days of attacks to sink.

[ny59giants]

The BBs at Pearl 'usually' need 4, if not, 5 torpedo hits to sink them unless you get an ammo or fuel explosion. Hard to do with just one days worth of attacks.

As an Allied player, I regard the hits on my CA/CLs to more important at this time as I need them for CV escorts. Sink some BBs, and leave my cruisers alone.  

[Keldun]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

Looks good.
Wasn´t AAA increased in strenght over the betas? This could lead to worse
results as compared to before beta if planes are hit prior to bomb release.
Try to up the altitude a bit, say 12-14k and look how many 800kg/Torp hits you
score on the big ships.

Before I forget: There were "only" 2 BBs lost at PH. So your best result is in
accordance to reality - at least considering what the term "ships sunk" on game
terms. [;)]

Actually there were 4 bb sunk in the pearl harbour attack but they managed to refloat 2 of them later.
Here is the total list of the loss on that attack

US
4 battleships sunk
3 battleships damaged
1 battleship grounded
2 destroyers sunk
1 other ship sunk
3 cruisers damaged[nb 1]
1 destroyer damaged
3 other ships damaged
188 aircraft destroyed
155 aircraft damaged

JP
4 midget submarines sunk
1 midget submarine grounded
29 aircraft destroyed

I retried many times as well to reproduce similar result (with the 7th dec surprise option)but never managed even though after like 20 tries, i did get 3 bb sunk but the number of aircraft or smaller ship sunk wasn't anywhere close.
I know we can play a dec 8 game but it would be nice to be able to reproduce the battle that started the war, wasn't it the purpose of the option of 7th dec surprise ?