Lopsided CV battles

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: gunny3013

I have experienced a total failure in a CV battle so one sided it was difficult to believe. All vessels and aircraft are properly configured and attacked their mark. The problem is they never put a scratch on any IJN vessels while the Japanese air strike innihalated my entire CV TF, all this despite me launching twice as many Aircraft than he did. After chaulking it up to an anomaly, I continued play only to have the exact same thing occur a second time some time later. Not a bloody scratch on his futuristic fleet while mine was wiped out to the ship. Anyone else ever have this issue?

Question(s)

did you watch the combat replay?

If so:

did you see alot of attacks by single planes?

did AA hit any of the bombers.

did the CAP score much on said bombers?


Thx

[gunny3013]

Weather was not a factor. All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!" [:)]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: gunny3013
Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack.

This is meaningless. What training was emphasized / prioritized / de-emphasized, etc. is irrelevant. What their achieved skills were with this training program is what is relevant.

gunny3013, no offense, but it doesn't look like you're looking for specific help on your specific problem. You've not given us enough cogent and tangible information for us to help you. I've asked you (and given you instructions) for combat replay text, a screenshot or any other information from your game and you've not delivered. I can't help you if you can't produce the supportive information we need.

I'm done here. If you want my help, PM me with these things I've requested and I'll be glad to help. I can't sit around and cry about what a victim you were of this or that code problem if it's not so.

Cheers.

[gunny3013]

Accidental duplicate post deleted.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!" [:)]

By barely touched you mean how many? 2,3,4?

What about the other questions?

Thx

[Erkki]

Weather over target? Navb and navt skills of attacking crews? How many attacks on small fast escorts?

[gunny3013]

It's real easy to get the gist of what I mean. A blind man can see it in a minute. If you can't this might not be the topic for you.

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!" [:)]

By barely touched you mean how many? 2,3,4?

What about the other questions?

Thx

whoops.

never mind.



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[Cribtop]

Without a combat report we can't really answer, but it sounds possible that weather was the factor from what you say. If you attacked in storms and he did in clear that can end up very lopsided.

[LoBaron]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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Thanks for the link Nik. After the 10th incoherent reply, still without any hard data, this somehow looked familiar.

I am outta here... [8|]

[gunny3013]

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

ORIGINAL: gunny3013

All DB's were set to 10,000 ft and all TB's were set to 5,000 ft. Training was prioritized to Naval Search and Naval Attack. Standard Operating Proceedure and successful in every other game. The flak barely touched any of my aircraft. In fact he look heavier flak losses than I did and I had far more aircraft than he did. I had to watch every single plane miss every ship they attempted to hit while he watched his planes destroy every ship they targeted. This was unique and so incredible as to not be believed and if you had told me he had futuristic space shields I would have been compelled to believe you based on the evidence before me. Once was a fuke, the second time it happened all I could mumble was, "Oh hell no!" [:)]

By barely touched you mean how many? 2,3,4?

What about the other questions?

Thx

whoops.

never mind.



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Always someone willing to take anything they can to the gutter, way to go Nikademus, way to go![:-]

[gunny3013]

ORIGINAL: Cribtop

Without a combat report we can't really answer, but it sounds possible that weather was the factor from what you say. If you attacked in storms and he did in clear that can end up very lopsided.

No weather was not a factor at all.

[gunny3013]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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Thanks for the link Nik. After the 10th incoherent reply, still without any hard data, this somehow looked familiar.

I am outta here... [8|]

I would be thrilled if you would depart and never ever respond to any of my posts again. Thank You.[:)]

[Nikademus]

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: Nikademus

whoops.

never mind.



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Thanks for the link Nik. After the 10th incoherent reply, still without any hard data, this somehow looked familiar.

I am outta here... [8|]

NP. I gave the OP the benie of a doubt because I've been gathering some data. His one answer and lack of answers though didn't track so I got suspicious. Amazing what a simple name click will do. Research rocks!

[tk208]

ORIGINAL: gunny3013

ORIGINAL: LoBaron

ORIGINAL: HansBolter




The game doesn't "like" to be minimized., but it can be. Alt+Tab will minimize the game, allowing access to a paint program to paste screen shots captured with the print screen button.

It's re-maximizing that the game doesn't like and it shakes itself out graphically in fits and starts until it properly restores the screen display.

This.

You can reduce the averse effect of re-maximizing by closing all ingame screens before alt-tabbing out but I still would not reccommend to do it more than once per session, and even then you might notice graphical artefacts.

Personally I save and reload. It is a hassle but there is only so much you can do with a source code this old.



@gunny3013: You can access op/combat/intel reports through the savegame folder. If you have the -archive switch in your command line then you can access all reports ever generated by the game by acessing the save/archive folder. For screenshots there are a couple of freeware programs that allow you to take screenshots without exiting a program.

As has been stated a couple of times in this thread already, providing very detailed ingame data and additional information about the battle itself, as well as the battles´ context and preface, is essential if you want to get any helpful analysis from the forums. If not you all you will get is opinionated guesswork and general statements.

It is absolutely possible to fight a CV battle to a draw against the IJN - even very early in the war, with luck even win. But you have to do your homework and engage from a position of advantage, what that is exactly depends on the situation.

As was stated earlier in this posting as well, Detailed info is a lot more difficult to get than you seem to realize.

...to heck with a draw or a victory! I would have settled for a single hit! 4 CV's sunk and all four flew against their IJN opponents and came up ZILCH! not a bloody scratch! Nada! couldn't even hit a cargo vessel. All the while he wipes out my entire fleet in one single air strike! Something is a miss.

Remember in AI games and games against other opponents my CV's aren't heroic or anything but they can at least score a few hits with no problem. It's just this one player's CV's that seems to have star trek shields to maximum...

Its not hard to find the info!

Simply go to the SAVE folder in your AE directory change folder options to "detail" or "list" then click the date column to find the latest combat report them copy and paste the contents here!

[gunny3013]

Thanks everyone for your assistance.[:)]

[Dili]

Wasting people time.

[1275psi]

dive bombers at 10000 feet

probably did not dive


thats my theory

[Encircled]

Got to admit that I thought that DB had to be over 11,000 feet to dive bomb.

[koniu]

ORIGINAL: Encircled

Got to admit that I thought that DB had to be over 11,000 feet to dive bomb.

With all my knowledge and experience. DB dive when set between 10k-15k (including 10k and 15k)