*URGENT* - fragments of air groups affect 5 group limit on carriers

[Encircled]

Middle of a game (May 44)

Massive battles going on around Northern Sumatra, but after the latest round of battles in the air, all my carriers had fragments from a couple of sunk CVEs land on their decks

Now my overall plane numbers are below the maximum, but I have more than five groups (including fragments) on all my carriers

Now I can't disband them, they are damaged so I can't fly them off, so my question is, will my carriers still be able to provide CAP?

Thanks in advance

[geofflambert]

Unless you can fly something off to get under the max your performance will be impacted. I wish you could disband fragments. I've had fragments with no planes, just pilots and that was a problem.

[Encircled]

I'm under the max number of planes for the carriers (just about on all of them)

But if I've over five actual squadrons, including fragments, my understanding is that they won't fly at all, so I will have absolutely no CAP at all

Is that correct?

[Lowpe]

can you provide a picture somewhere? I think on the CV screen the airplane numbers on the lower right would turn red if they can't fly.

[Encircled]

Not overstacked mate, just have effectively 5 sqds plus 3 fragments of sqds on

essentially, all my carriers have more than 5 sqds + fragments on them

[Encircled]

Crap with pics

Aircraft capacity/used 90/99 (orange, which is fine)

VB-3/1 - 1 (5)
VF-60/2 - 0 (1)
Vf-23/1 - 0 (1)
1833 FAA/1 - 0 (1)
1839 FAA/1 - 3 (0)
VF-42 - 19 (5)
VF-71 - 26 (5)
VMF-224 - 9 (6)
VMF- 322 - 15 (2)

Will they fly as its over 5 squadrons on ship

[Lowpe]

I think the splinters might not fly....but the rest will.

This is a swag on my part, although I have a hazy recollection of them flying in my first game once I lost most of the KB -- at leas the full size squadrons.

[Chris21wen]

Middle of a game (May 44)

Massive battles going on around Northern Sumatra, but after the latest round of battles in the air, all my carriers had fragments from a couple of sunk CVEs land on their decks

Now my overall plane numbers are below the maximum, but I have more than five groups (including fragments) on all my carriers

Now I can't disband them, they are damaged so I can't fly them off, so my question is, will my carriers still be able to provide CAP?

Thanks in advance

From the manual page 169 "Ship-based air groups (apart from fragments) are not allowed to disband." So why can't you disband? Not in a position to test it it but convinced you can provided there's someing to disband to.

Do fragments count anyway as a group?

[Encircled]

All greyed out sadly, so I can't disband them

Cheers for the replies, I guess I will run the turn and see what happens

Be a learning experience if nothing else!

[scondon87]

I believe the restriction is on putting the squadrons on in excess of 5, so my guess would be they will fly. Definitely interested in confirming that if you run the turn.

[btd64]

I believe the fragments will only disband in a base or on the CV if it is in port....GP

[spence]

At the Battle of Midway the HIJMS Hiryu FLEW the fragments of ALL the Kido Butai's fighter squadrons after the Americans had smashed all the other carriers plus a fragment of Kaga's torpedo squadron participated in the torpedo attack against the USS Yorktown (That would be the 3 Hiryu squadrons plus 4 additional fragments). Why can't fragments be just jettisoned? Zuikaku did just that after Shokaku was rendered OOC at Coral Sea.

It seems the 5 squadron limit in CVs is a game thing that should be changed (I don't know any code though),

[Chris21wen]

I believe the fragments will only disband in a base or on the CV if it is in port....GP

Not convinced that is the case but I can't test it.

[Chris21wen]

I believe the fragments will only disband in a base or on the CV if it is in port....GP

Not convinced that is the case but I can't test it.

After a suicide run to the KB I created a fragment on a CV. I'm wrong and so is the manual, but slighly misleading.

I could not disband the fragment at sea, in port I could. They cannot withdraw.

None fragments cannot disband on ship but can withdraw.

[Lowpe]

It is interesting that the manual implies the fragment will attempt to rejoin their parent, if it still exists....either if the damage on the stricken carrier is reduced to allow flight operations (think pumping out minor flooding) a possibility with Allied damage control, or if the parent unit is transferred to a base (very likely if the damaged carrier can make a size 1 port size 1 air field base and the fragment is within range and functioning.

[Ian R]

Re-inventing the wheel, how ironic.