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Since Dutch air units are restricted there is no base with a level 7 airfield that they can go to, and based on the past I wont have the time to upgrade a base 3-4 to a base 7 airfield. The HQ they are attached to is of course also restricted and cant move to base with level 7 airfield. So how are you to upgrade?
I have another unit, RAF that is based in an airfield level 2 with 16000 supplies, it can upgrade. I saw that if the HQ to that unit is based at a base with a level 7 airfield and is within range it can upgrade, also that base has more than 20000 supplies. However that base has a level 5 airfield so then that shouldnt work either but it does.
What am I missing? Or really, how to upgrade my Dutch squadrons?
The question is based on the tooltip when I cant upgrade, lack of supply or need level 7 airfield and 20000 supplies. Supply is not an issue and I have aircraft to upgrade to
upgrading aircraft
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Re: upgrading aircraft
Hmm. I have no issues upgrading Dutch aircraft at Soerabaja provided that the MLD air HQ is also there.
Re: upgrading aircraft
Maybe This:
The minimum airfield size can be decreased by the presence of a headquarters.
(If the base’s command HQ is within range, the airfield size is reduced by the HQ command radius.)
If an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius
If more than 2 or by one. The minimum AF size is one.
Checklist:
The air unit is located at:
(1) an airfield size 7 or the HQ to which the air unit is attached to is at a size 7 airfield
and the two units are within the transfer range of the aircraft model.
(2) if on a ship, the ship is at a base with an airfield size 7
From the Manual:
The air unit is located on a ship in the same hex as a base with an
airfield size of 7+ (TF or at anchor) and the base has over 20000 supplies.
Supplies will be expended at the base and the unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
I don’t consider them “damaged” but dis-assembled when they arrive.
It can take several days for them to return to operational status.
The base with the level 7 airfield must have 20k supply.
If PDU is off: Only the next scheduled upgrade model can be chosen.
There is no downgrading when PDU is turned off.
If PDU is on: The selection is only possible from the displayed models.
Downgrading to a displayed model is available with PDU turned on.
If upgrading is set to "automatic" there must be sufficient air frames in the pool of the
scheduled upgrade model to fully re-equip the air unit
From the Manual:
There must be a sufficient number of the new model planes in the Replacement Pool
to equal the maximum ready aircraft level for the unit in order for an automatic upgrade to occur.
To upgrade manually:
There must be enough air frames in the pool to fully upgrade the air unit when the unit is scheduled to be withdrawn.
There must be at least one plane in the pool if the unit is not scheduled to be withdrawn.
Automatic upgrades will not happen if the aviation support at the base is less than the aviation support required.
(Manual upgrades do not check for aviation support)
Airfields that have more than 59% service or runway damage will not allow an upgrade.
The minimum airfield size can be decreased by the presence of a headquarters.
(If the base’s command HQ is within range, the airfield size is reduced by the HQ command radius.)
If an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius
If more than 2 or by one. The minimum AF size is one.
A group may upgrade in their national home base, subject to the above conditions. It acts as a Command HQ base.
The number of old aircraft being replaced in the group will be added back to the Aircraft Replacement pool, but they will
Slowly reappear with a delay of up to 7 days. A message will appear in the player’s Operations Report when they arrive.
This is an attempt to represent the time required to repair and service the old aircraft, and to make them combat ready
for sending out as replacements.
The minimum airfield size can be decreased by the presence of a headquarters.
(If the base’s command HQ is within range, the airfield size is reduced by the HQ command radius.)
If an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius
If more than 2 or by one. The minimum AF size is one.
Checklist:
The air unit is located at:
(1) an airfield size 7 or the HQ to which the air unit is attached to is at a size 7 airfield
and the two units are within the transfer range of the aircraft model.
(2) if on a ship, the ship is at a base with an airfield size 7
From the Manual:
The air unit is located on a ship in the same hex as a base with an
airfield size of 7+ (TF or at anchor) and the base has over 20000 supplies.
Supplies will be expended at the base and the unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
I don’t consider them “damaged” but dis-assembled when they arrive.
It can take several days for them to return to operational status.
The base with the level 7 airfield must have 20k supply.
If PDU is off: Only the next scheduled upgrade model can be chosen.
There is no downgrading when PDU is turned off.
If PDU is on: The selection is only possible from the displayed models.
Downgrading to a displayed model is available with PDU turned on.
If upgrading is set to "automatic" there must be sufficient air frames in the pool of the
scheduled upgrade model to fully re-equip the air unit
From the Manual:
There must be a sufficient number of the new model planes in the Replacement Pool
to equal the maximum ready aircraft level for the unit in order for an automatic upgrade to occur.
To upgrade manually:
There must be enough air frames in the pool to fully upgrade the air unit when the unit is scheduled to be withdrawn.
There must be at least one plane in the pool if the unit is not scheduled to be withdrawn.
Automatic upgrades will not happen if the aviation support at the base is less than the aviation support required.
(Manual upgrades do not check for aviation support)
Airfields that have more than 59% service or runway damage will not allow an upgrade.
The minimum airfield size can be decreased by the presence of a headquarters.
(If the base’s command HQ is within range, the airfield size is reduced by the HQ command radius.)
If an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius
If more than 2 or by one. The minimum AF size is one.
A group may upgrade in their national home base, subject to the above conditions. It acts as a Command HQ base.
The number of old aircraft being replaced in the group will be added back to the Aircraft Replacement pool, but they will
Slowly reappear with a delay of up to 7 days. A message will appear in the player’s Operations Report when they arrive.
This is an attempt to represent the time required to repair and service the old aircraft, and to make them combat ready
for sending out as replacements.
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Re: upgrading aircraft
Not enough supply at Soerabaja, but I found the HQ and will try and move it, didnt think I could but I might be wrong. Thanks for the help both of you
Re: upgrading aircraft
Just increase the supply demand to at least 7k so that if there is enough extra supply elsewhere like at Batavia, the supplies will move.
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Re: upgrading aircraft
It wasnt the right HQ that I could move, the one in play is restricted.
Now I have a base, airfield at 4 and 20000 supplies
I have two units, one fighter with 5 aircraft in it and squadron size 12. I have an upgrade path for another fighter and they have 13 fighters in the pool so one more than needed
The other one is a bomber with 2 aircraft with squadron size 9 and an upgrade path for another bomber, however it only has 7 in the pool.
They have the same HQ and I can upgrade the bomber but not the fighter, for the fighter it says that I need a level 7 airfield but not the bomber, upgrade works fine.
Same base, same HQ but one works but not the other. How is this possible?
Now I have a base, airfield at 4 and 20000 supplies
I have two units, one fighter with 5 aircraft in it and squadron size 12. I have an upgrade path for another fighter and they have 13 fighters in the pool so one more than needed
The other one is a bomber with 2 aircraft with squadron size 9 and an upgrade path for another bomber, however it only has 7 in the pool.
They have the same HQ and I can upgrade the bomber but not the fighter, for the fighter it says that I need a level 7 airfield but not the bomber, upgrade works fine.
Same base, same HQ but one works but not the other. How is this possible?
Re: upgrading aircraft
Pictures please.Gratch1111 wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 1:05 am It wasnt the right HQ that I could move, the one in play is restricted.
Now I have a base, airfield at 4 and 20000 supplies
I have two units, one fighter with 5 aircraft in it and squadron size 12. I have an upgrade path for another fighter and they have 13 fighters in the pool so one more than needed
The other one is a bomber with 2 aircraft with squadron size 9 and an upgrade path for another bomber, however it only has 7 in the pool.
They have the same HQ and I can upgrade the bomber but not the fighter, for the fighter it says that I need a level 7 airfield but not the bomber, upgrade works fine.
Same base, same HQ but one works but not the other. How is this possible?
Also, are the air units linked to the same HQ?
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Re: upgrading aircraft
'Player Def Upgrades on or off?
From the updated manual.
'A player can force an upgrade during his turn as long as there is at least one new plane in the pool and the conditions below are met.
In addition, one of the following cases must be true (the first true will take effect):
● The air unit is located at a base with an airfield size of 7+ and the base has over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the base and the
unit will receive damaged planes from the pool (they may repair before the next orders phase during the repair phase).
● The air unit is located at a base and the HQ that the group is assigned to is within transfer range of the air unit’s current or upgrading aircraft type
and the HQ is located at a base with an airfield size of 7+ and has over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the HQ base and the unit will
receive damaged planes from the pool.
● The air unit is located at a base and the Command level HQ that the group is assigned to is within transfer range of the air unit’s current or
upgrading aircraft type and the Command HQ is located at a base with over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the HQ base and the
unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
● The air unit is located on a ship in the same hex as a base with an airfield size of 7+ (TF or at anchor) and the base has over 20000 supplies.
Supplies will be expended at the base and the unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
If one of these conditions is met, the unit's current aircraft are placed in the player's Replacement Pool, and the unit has its number of damaged aircraft set
equal to the maximum ready aircraft level for the unit or the number in the pool if less than the group maximum level.'
Also from the manual there are other factors governing possible upgrades but nearly all stem from where certain HQs are in relation to the base. Please take note of the different types of GQ here. This is the vital bit.
'The minimum AF size required for the upgrade can be reduced by the presence of HQs. That doen't mean the same lacation but is the HQ in range of the base. See below
If the base’s command HQ is within range, the AF size is reduced by the HQ command radius.
Else if an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius if more than 2 or by one.
The minimum AF size is one. No upgrades can take place
A group may upgrade in their national home base, subject to the above conditions. It acts as a Command HQ base. I must confess not knowing where the Dutch one is?
Bases with more than 59% of service or runway damage cannot be used as a source for replacements.
Automatic aircraft upgrades will not happen in a base where the total aviation support is less than ½ the aviation support required, as the new planes may not
become serviceable. However, player-initiated upgrades can occur.'
From the updated manual.
'A player can force an upgrade during his turn as long as there is at least one new plane in the pool and the conditions below are met.
In addition, one of the following cases must be true (the first true will take effect):
● The air unit is located at a base with an airfield size of 7+ and the base has over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the base and the
unit will receive damaged planes from the pool (they may repair before the next orders phase during the repair phase).
● The air unit is located at a base and the HQ that the group is assigned to is within transfer range of the air unit’s current or upgrading aircraft type
and the HQ is located at a base with an airfield size of 7+ and has over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the HQ base and the unit will
receive damaged planes from the pool.
● The air unit is located at a base and the Command level HQ that the group is assigned to is within transfer range of the air unit’s current or
upgrading aircraft type and the Command HQ is located at a base with over 20,000 supplies. Supplies will be expended at the HQ base and the
unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
● The air unit is located on a ship in the same hex as a base with an airfield size of 7+ (TF or at anchor) and the base has over 20000 supplies.
Supplies will be expended at the base and the unit will receive damaged planes from the pool.
If one of these conditions is met, the unit's current aircraft are placed in the player's Replacement Pool, and the unit has its number of damaged aircraft set
equal to the maximum ready aircraft level for the unit or the number in the pool if less than the group maximum level.'
Also from the manual there are other factors governing possible upgrades but nearly all stem from where certain HQs are in relation to the base. Please take note of the different types of GQ here. This is the vital bit.
'The minimum AF size required for the upgrade can be reduced by the presence of HQs. That doen't mean the same lacation but is the HQ in range of the base. See below
If the base’s command HQ is within range, the AF size is reduced by the HQ command radius.
Else if an Air HQ is within range of the base, the AF size is reduced by ½ the command radius if more than 2 or by one.
The minimum AF size is one. No upgrades can take place
A group may upgrade in their national home base, subject to the above conditions. It acts as a Command HQ base. I must confess not knowing where the Dutch one is?
Bases with more than 59% of service or runway damage cannot be used as a source for replacements.
Automatic aircraft upgrades will not happen in a base where the total aviation support is less than ½ the aviation support required, as the new planes may not
become serviceable. However, player-initiated upgrades can occur.'
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Re: upgrading aircraft
I in no way want to be rude, but I think I made it pretty clear
2 air units at the same base with the same HQ, one can be upgraded, the other not
One just works, the other say I need a level 7 airfield
Either both SHOULD work, or none of them, if Im being honest, none of them should so why does one of them do?
2 air units at the same base with the same HQ, one can be upgraded, the other not
One just works, the other say I need a level 7 airfield
Either both SHOULD work, or none of them, if Im being honest, none of them should so why does one of them do?
Re: upgrading aircraft
Honestly, it would be hard for anyone to give you a definitive answer without you posting pictures. All anyone can do is give you their best thoughts about what you can look for as a reasonable cause. No one here can see your screen and see what you see without you providing any pictures. Maybe you have a bug but that can't be established unless you provide images....Gratch1111 wrote: Thu Jan 19, 2023 8:49 pm I in no way want to be rude, but I think I made it pretty clear
2 air units at the same base with the same HQ, one can be upgraded, the other not
One just works, the other say I need a level 7 airfield
Either both SHOULD work, or none of them, if Im being honest, none of them should so why does one of them do?
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Re: upgrading aircraft
I hope my opponent dont see this....
Re: upgrading aircraft
With PDU ON, it should upgrade.Gratch1111 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 12:19 am WitP.pngWitP 2.png
I apologize, I really didn't think it would help, but I could be wrong;)
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In your header, you could have asked him not to look.
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Re: upgrading aircraft
From the pics there looks as if it should. Both use same HQ etc, base and enough a/c and supply . One thing it won't be is Play define upgrades off as you would not be able to select the Hurricane.
Have you tried selecting a different a/c. In this pic I selected the upgrade path to the Spit even though I won't have any for over year. You should be able to select all the other models listed for potential upgrade but the upgrade now button on the group screen will only be active if the upgrade rules are met. To do this go to selection screen, turn on upgrade allowed, select the aircraft then done taking you back the the group window.
Have you tried selecting a different a/c. In this pic I selected the upgrade path to the Spit even though I won't have any for over year. You should be able to select all the other models listed for potential upgrade but the upgrade now button on the group screen will only be active if the upgrade rules are met. To do this go to selection screen, turn on upgrade allowed, select the aircraft then done taking you back the the group window.
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Re: upgrading aircraft
I have a few other fighters but only in small numbers, If I choose one of them the upgrade option lights up. I also have some of those fighters in other squadrons and if I choose the Hurricane, none of them can be upgraded to the Hurricane. The reason I want the Hurricane is that I have fighters
This is driving me nuts, why have fighters in the resource pool that you cant use?
Anyone have any other ideas?
This is driving me nuts, why have fighters in the resource pool that you cant use?
Anyone have any other ideas?
Re: upgrading aircraft
PDU ON or OFF?Gratch1111 wrote: Fri Jan 20, 2023 10:17 am I have a few other fighters but only in small numbers, If I choose one of them the upgrade option lights up. I also have some of those fighters in other squadrons and if I choose the Hurricane, none of them can be upgraded to the Hurricane. The reason I want the Hurricane is that I have fighters
This is driving me nuts, why have fighters in the resource pool that you cant use?
Anyone have any other ideas?
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Re: upgrading aircraft
I think the units have to be stood down to start an upgrade.
And flying CAP with range 5 will scatter your 5 fighters all over a circle 400 miles in diameter. What do you think the chances of intercept are?
And flying CAP with range 5 will scatter your 5 fighters all over a circle 400 miles in diameter. What do you think the chances of intercept are?
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Re: upgrading aircraft
If the stand down part was true, how come I can upgrade to another fighter but not the Hurricane even if on CAP?
As for the other question you are surely correct, but if I dont put them on CAP they wont intercept? Or do you mean to set the range to 1 or 0 to increase the results of the CAP
As for the other question you are surely correct, but if I dont put them on CAP they wont intercept? Or do you mean to set the range to 1 or 0 to increase the results of the CAP
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Re: upgrading aircraft
If PDU wasnt on I couldnt manually upgrade and change any aircraft? And I can so that cant be an issue