Should I wait for AE?

[BAR]

Hi all, I have been interested in WiTP for a little while now and am wondering if I should wait for the AE Release and purchase the Digital DL & Physical Shipment then, or jump in now. Will AE be a separate add-on that must be purchased? From Erik's post about waiting on the new manual with the new printers I am inclined to wait for the AE release but am of course eager to try this game out. Has any demo version of WiTP ever been released? Have searched for one with no luck. Am hoping that after spending $80.00 on a game I find that it not really my cup of tea and playing a few turns on a demo might help me decide. Have been a fan of the Steel Panther's series since they came out and also The Operational Art of War as well, but this looks like a major step up wargaming from those 2 games. Just hoping that that it is something I will enjoy. Take care - BAR

[Roger Neilson II]

The rumour has it that WIPT AE will be a lot more complex than WITP..... so I do think a knowledge of WITP is a good starting point, the learning curve my be a little less like a a toddler trying to climb Everest!

If you are not sure then read some of the more straightforward AARs - the more zany ones may confuse you more!

You will need WITP and then purchase AE, kits an 'add -on'.

I came to it via Steel Panthers along time ago, it is more or less the only game for me nowadays.

Roger

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: BAR
Am hoping that after spending $80.00 on a game I find that it not really my cup of tea and playing a few turns on a demo might help me decide.

You would have to take the plunge, as there don't exist a demo for WitP. The gameplay is hardly comparable with anything but former 2by3 titles (UV, 12 'o' clock). However, if you have the patience for larger TOAW scenarios, you probably won't struggly with this game.

So if you're not sure yet but feel tempted anyway, rather pick WitP now and use the remaining weeks till AE release for learning the game. This is more reasonable than utilizing a possible bundle discount and subsequently realizing that you don't like it.

[rhohltjr]

ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson II

The rumour has it that WIPT AE will be a lot more complex than WITP..... so I do think a knowledge of WITP is a good starting point, the learning curve my be a little less like a a toddler trying to climb Everest!

Roger

I agree. Also, know that you are not forced to micromanage everything in Witp (unless you really enjoy micromanaging[8|])
The zones of control make the whole experience easier to grasp IMO. The Witp AI didn't really do very well for me running it's assigned zones,
but overall, I like AI. Good thing is that AE is giving Witp a much needed AI boost.[&o][&o][&o]
There is a current ongoing AAR with an AE tester vs the AI.

[TalonCG2]

One point I'm not sure you understand from your post is that AE is gonna be an expansion of WITP. In order for AE to work you MUST have WITP. So take the plunge and buy WITP or there is no point in waiting for AE in the first place. Without WITP you won't be able to play AE.

You won't be disappointed. It can be intimidating at first, but it is hugely entertaining and very satisfying.

[Durbik]

... and frustrating, and addictive, and time-eating, and wife-angrying, and blissful...

[kfmiller41]

ORIGINAL: Durbik

... and frustrating, and addictive, and time-eating, and wife-angrying, and blissful...

Reading my mind to a T[:D]

[Charles2222]

I wouldn't buy WITP to just learn the game, as you can't be assured AE will make it any more delectable. To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort. Now if you can get AE and WITP together, for the price of the original WITP, that might be a worthy gamble, but I am saying that with the anticipation that AE will improve, particularly the bugs and AI, some 75% of the game. There is of course the idea that you can get the two games together in a package that would save you money, as opposed to how most of us guys have already bought WITP full price.

[Grotius]

It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort.

Maybe that was true four years ago, but multiple patches have stomped most of the major bugs. I've just finished an entire grand campaign against the AI, and I didn't encounter any significant bugs at all.

[Roger Neilson II]

What's the source for this idea that buying the two together will be cheaper? Wishful thinking?

Roger

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: BAR

Hi all, I have been interested in WiTP for a little while now and am wondering if I should wait for the AE Release and purchase the Digital DL & Physical Shipment then, or jump in now. Will AE be a separate add-on that must be purchased? From Erik's post about waiting on the new manual with the new printers I am inclined to wait for the AE release but am of course eager to try this game out. Has any demo version of WiTP ever been released? Have searched for one with no luck. Am hoping that after spending $80.00 on a game I find that it not really my cup of tea and playing a few turns on a demo might help me decide. Have been a fan of the Steel Panther's series since they came out and also The Operational Art of War as well, but this looks like a major step up wargaming from those 2 games. Just hoping that that it is something I will enjoy. Take care - BAR

I have played just about every TOAW scenario there is. And HOI2, etc. WiTP tops the list imo. But of course it's a matter of personal taste.

[pad152]

This is no demo but, you can still fine cheap copies of Uncommon Valor at Amazon.com or ebay. If you don't like UV then WITP or AE may not be for you.

No other wargame ever made lets you fight a war covering over half the world with this level of detail that's WITP! AE expands on this with even more detail. AE is the super die hard grognard edition, WITP is just the tutorial and trainer for AE.

[Flying Tiger]

To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort.

 
I think you're on your own here Charles. For me, and i know for most others on this forum, WitP has been easily the BEST value for $$ of any game i have ever shelled out cash for. Curious to hear though, exactly what bugs were you struggling with?

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: BAR

Hi all, I have been interested in WiTP for a little while now and am wondering if I should wait for the AE Release and purchase the Digital DL & Physical Shipment then, or jump in now. Will AE be a separate add-on that must be purchased? From Erik's post about waiting on the new manual with the new printers I am inclined to wait for the AE release but am of course eager to try this game out. Has any demo version of WiTP ever been released? Have searched for one with no luck. Am hoping that after spending $80.00 on a game I find that it not really my cup of tea and playing a few turns on a demo might help me decide. Have been a fan of the Steel Panther's series since they came out and also The Operational Art of War as well, but this looks like a major step up wargaming from those 2 games. Just hoping that that it is something I will enjoy. Take care - BAR

In order to run WitP-AE you have to have WitP (i.e. the "AE" is add-on)!

Will there be any discount for buying WitP + WitP-AE we still don't know... this is the only thing that can prevent you for buying WitP right now...


Leo "Apollo11"

[m10bob]

"To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort"




Gosh, Charles........that is a very rare comment.......Have you been aware of the patches, or did you move on to another game?

Just curious....(Your opinion is valued, and respected, albeit as rare as ice cream in the Mohave?)

[ChickenOfTheSea]

ORIGINAL: m10bob

"To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort"




Gosh, Charles........that is a very rare comment.......Have you been aware of the patches, or did you move on to another game?

Just curious....(Your opinion is valued, and respected, albeit as rare as ice cream in the Mohave?)

I think he must be talking about the early stages of the game. I felt the same way, myself, early on. However, I came back about 18 months ago to discover all the patching and the mods that the community had created and it has been a great time. I'm really looking forward to AE. For anyone who gave up on the original WITP, I strongly encourage you to come back and take another look.

[DivePac88]

ORIGINAL: Charles_22

I wouldn't buy WITP to just learn the game, as you can't be assured AE will make it any more delectable. To me, WITP was some of the worst money per useage I have spent on games, and I have a good experience in the grognard side of things. It was just too buggy for me to take a serious effort. Now if you can get AE and WITP together, for the price of the original WITP, that might be a worthy gamble, but I am saying that with the anticipation that AE will improve, particularly the bugs and AI, some 75% of the game. There is of course the idea that you can get the two games together in a package that would save you money, as opposed to how most of us guys have already bought WITP full price.

What game is this guy talking about, this is not the WitP that I know, and Love. This has got to be a wind-up, who dose he think he is running our game down... shame on you. [:-]

[madgamer2]

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I am the other side of the coin in that i played WitP against the AI from the release date in04 till about a month ago. I found that there is to much micromanagement for me to deal with. I am just barely able to keep ahead of the AI now which to some vets here sounds laughable.
I have a love of the history of the Pacific war but the turns are to long, to much to do and I have to play daily turns to have a chance. I am not a dumb person by any streach but I just can't manage this game.
AE will add a better AI but also more micromanagement like port capacity, ,and unloading, a larger map amnd many new and great improvements but its to much for me.
Just reading some of the detailed posts here about both games can loose me.

I would say buy the original WitP and up date it. If you like playing it and have the time and can handle the learning curve then AE is for you.....if not like me just save your money. I plan on playing WitP after the release of AE as support if the original is promised at least for awhile,

Good luck from one who has not made the grade or had the time to play the game even against the AI.

Madgamer

[Charbroiled]

ORIGINAL: madgamer

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I am the other side of the coin in that i played WitP against the AI from the release date in04 till about a month ago. I found that there is to much micromanagement for me to deal with. I am just barely able to keep ahead of the AI now which to some vets here sounds laughable.
I have a love of the history of the Pacific war but the turns are to long, to much to do and I have to play daily turns to have a chance. I am not a dumb person by any streach but I just can't manage this game.
AE will add a better AI but also more micromanagement like port capacity, ,and unloading, a larger map amnd many new and great improvements but its to much for me.
Just reading some of the detailed posts here about both games can loose me.

I would say buy the original WitP and up date it. If you like playing it and have the time and can handle the learning curve then AE is for you.....if not like me just save your money. I plan on playing WitP after the release of AE as support if the original is promised at least for awhile,

Good luck from one who has not made the grade or had the time to play the game even against the AI.

Madgamer

For me, the key is to not worry about every little detail. Concentrate on the big things like invasions or on the front lines, but don't worry that the ship loading oil was full 3 days ago and I forgot to send it to Japan. Stuff like this isn't going to hurt you in the long run.

[Charles2222]

ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson II

What's the source for this idea that buying the two together will be cheaper? Wishful thinking?

Roger

It's not an uncommon practice, especially since the expansion will probably be none too cheap and will require an original which is expensive. Just a guess was all that was.