The Power of Inexperience / GreyJoy(A)-Rader(J)

[Cribtop]

GJ, I still salute you as an Honorary Texan. This is the highest award my nation can bestow on anyone. [:D]

You played with creativity, with astonishing determination, and most importantly with honor. I salute you!

[&o]

PS - Dan, IMHO GJ won, mostly because he refused to quit when many others would have surrendered.

[GreyJoy]

Thanks Cribtop, being an honorary texan (and so a southern man) is an honour [:)]
 
 
Moreover.... i've read it back the last 40 pages of my AAR...gotta say that, now that i'm not involved anymore and i'm cooler enough to see things clearer, my strategic decision to land on Honshu was really a bad one.  Probably a winning strategy should have made me stop at hokkaido....with 5 9Lvl air bases in range of Tokyo it would have been only a matter of time before Japan sued for peace.... but the game would have become something like BTR-BoB...
That's why i now think that that bad strategy was really the only one i could chose in order to keep the game interesting... too bad we've found all those problems with the engine!

[Cribtop]

I agree, but don't beat yourself up about it. You made a conscious decision to go for a sub-optimal strategy in the interest of keeping the game fun and giving us the Ragnarok of an invasion of the Home Islands. You mentioned before the fact that just bombing Japan into dust was the smart/safe play.

[pws1225]

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Who won?..... in Italy we should say "STICAZZI CHI HA VINTO"....which could be translated in something like "WHO GIVES A F.U.C.K. who have won!?" ....we had fun, and that's what it only matters.

Yep, you guys played so hard you broke the sandbox. You both won.

Regards, Paul

[GreyJoy]

Thank you Paul!
 
Crib...yeah, i know...but now i miss the game so much that i'm starting to think that i wouldn't take that strategic decision again if i had a second chance[:)]
 
As the Boss sings....GLORY DAYS...[:D]

[princep01]

Ah, Ser Greyjoy, there you are. From your long absence, I thought you had taken the Black and moved to The Wall. Bah....a cold and forbibbing place fit only for lesser souls than you and me and inhabited at times by those strange and quite appalling White Walker thingies. Better here in my fine castle.

At any rate, thanks for abandoning me in northern Japan. I've learned a new language and made some excellent friends. I've learned to make excellent sake (a local distilled brew of delicate magnificence. I even brought a few wenches back from that land to serve me hand and foot....they are called geishas or somesuch. I'm rather fond of them, truth be known.

Come visit your old haunt sometime. The warmth and expanse of my well known hospitality is without bounds for you, Ser Greyjoy.

[dpt182]

Unfortunately our HR concerning night bombing is quite limiting...we can put in the air only the moolight%number of bombers divided per 2...meaning that, at best, i can have for only one day 50 bombers flying night missions... not a lot...
[/quote]

Why the absurd HR's? You also said you limited 4E numbers in attacks, yet you routinely cite hundreds of Japanese aircraft in attacks

Really puzzled

David

[BBfanboy]

dpt182, you have resurrected a long dead thread - the original posters are not likely to notice your post.
Normal course of action for forum posts is to create a new thread if the old one is more than 6 months without a post - it's a necro-thread. That keeps newer material on the front page of the forum instead of cluttering it with old, irrelevant stuff.

Alternatively, you could send a PM to one of the original AAR posters with your question. They may or may not be following the forum enough to get your message.

[dpt182]

[/quote] Saying that Japan outnumbers me isn't saying he's doing anything gamey. That MUST be clear and clarified if wasn't bright enough [/quote]

personally the HR's sound very gamey to me. Your 4e aircraft are attack limited without a corresponding limit for his 2e aircraft. You can't use night bombing effectively, which means he doesn't need to put half his squadrons on night CAP.
Unless there are HR's which limit him which you haven't mentioned.

Regards

David

[PaxMondo]

BB: I guess he isn't reading your post. Oh well.

But since he resurrected this, I'll also tag this one as again one of the top 3 AAR's in this forum. It is a HIGHLY unusual AAR. you also need to read the companion AAR from rader.

What sets this apart from most other AAR's is the humor of the author. another is that the author is completely candid about his lack of experience, and his willingness to take advice from his readers. When this AAR was actively being written, it was a daily read for 100's of forumites. Enjoy!!!

[GetAssista]

But since he resurrected this, I'll also tag this one as again one of the top 3 AAR's in this forum. It is a HIGHLY unusual AAR.

Oh, this one. I search it out couple times a year to revisit the part where that shock and awe thing is unfolding taking entire forum by surprise =) Outstanding AAR

[PaxMondo]

Totally stunned the forum, including both players!

[ian77]

I realise this is a dead thread, but having just finished reading all 334 pages I have to say what a fantastic AAR this is. Greyjoy's indomitable spirit is simply amazing. Thank you to him and to all those who helped provide such an entertaining and educational account.

BRAVO!!

[RangerJoe]

I realise this is a dead thread, but having just finished reading all 334 pages I have to say what a fantastic AAR this is. Greyjoy's indomitable spirit is simply amazing. Thank you to him and to all those who helped provide such an entertaining and educational account.

BRAVO!!

Not just that, the actual match the two players enjoyed actually helped to improve the game due to the changes in coding that was needed for the match.

[Encircled]

Forgotten how much fun this thread was

[Chickenboy]

SCOOTRA!!!

[PaxMondo]

SCOOTRA it is!!!

[L0ckAndL0ad]

Okay, I have finally finished reading this epic thread. Thanks for bumping it up. It's like visiting a museum now.

Sad it wasn't finished with a sole victor selected. I would speculate that if the Allied commander had been sacked and was replaced with a more tame one (for things like losing fleet carriers in a questionable operation), the Allies would've gotten a minor victory in the end, by slowly and methodically grinding down the Home Islands from the air, while making small attacks across the secondary theaters like India, SWPAC, etc, where Japan can no longer afford to reinforce.

But a draw is a draw.

It was really frustrating to read the parts where GJ was going into "i can't do it" mode, "Japan is too strong, it's impossible", while there were other options on the table, even while the draconian HR restricted night attacks, but somewhere past page 300 they had to stop night attacks completely because they "were not satisfied with the results", meaning they had great effect.. It was really frustrating reading that. I mean, seriously? Very one sided and unjustified.

IRL USAAF had to resort to night attacks. They flew at 5k feet at times! Forbidding GJ to do the same, even after changing the initial HRs to allow 15?k feet night missions because they were too effective? That's just ridiculous.

It was also frustrating to see B-29s put into close range, to see them bombed on the runways, thus negating their range advantage. What a waste of precious airframes. And don't get me started on venturing into the Sea of Japan. That was plainly insane.

I even suspect that the game was too punishing on both sides past a certain point, like since late 43 early 44, so that GreyJoy kept rushing and was acting too recklessly, subconsciously or intently, to get to the finish line one way or another, regardless of how good the moves and losses are. And that's not a good sport. A fine spectacle at times, but also sad, when unnecessary losses occur.

It was fun, overall. And I got some useful tips from this AAR, which is great.

Thanks to GreyJoy for writing it and everyone else for their comments.

[RangerJoe]

Greyjoy was doing things that he didn't put into his AAR.

As far as some of the combat situations and results went, they were the reason why some things were included in the updates including more CAP firing passes against attacking bombers.

HRs are up to the people, if they are bad or unrealistic just remember that this is a game and not a historical situation.

[PaxMondo]

As far as some of the combat situations and results went, they were the reason why some things were included in the updates including more CAP firing passes against attacking bombers.

Really emphasize this. At the time, we still had dev support and updates were coming out frequently. This AAR and a couple of others were in some respects test beds. They were finding things and they were getting fixed.

For example, here is the patch thread from 2012 - 2016 .... a very LONG list

https://forums.matrixgames.com/viewtopi ... 4&t=226197