Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Barring a very bad misplay on my part...Lashio seems safe with the routing of the 21st Division, and dual pressure points from Akyab & Katha. Using the two large Chinese Corp as defensive bastions works very well. At Akyab we have two Aussie Divisions threatening while the 18th British Division and friends flank.
I am not sure whether the 254th Armor should wait a few days at Kunming, taking reinforcements, or continue to travel further inland. It still has some vickers to upgrade and Kunming has supplies and could be bolstered by plane drops.
I want my major land forces in this theater to ride the greater experience wave...which means minimizing destroyed devices.
Our unit prep looks good at Akyab, troops are in the 53-75 range and the XXXIII HQc is at 40, Command HQ at 33...still need a few more days for the XXXIII HQ to arrive in place one hex away.
I am not sure whether the 254th Armor should wait a few days at Kunming, taking reinforcements, or continue to travel further inland. It still has some vickers to upgrade and Kunming has supplies and could be bolstered by plane drops.
I want my major land forces in this theater to ride the greater experience wave...which means minimizing destroyed devices.
Our unit prep looks good at Akyab, troops are in the 53-75 range and the XXXIII HQc is at 40, Command HQ at 33...still need a few more days for the XXXIII HQ to arrive in place one hex away.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
October 14, 1942
Chinese desperate defense, sacrificing many chewed up devices....has held for now east of Kienko. The crackerjack 3rd New Corp will arrive shortly and the 77th LRP should have time to assemble in Kienko and make it into the defensive lines. In addition an AT unit is heading here too....although they surprisingly don't do as well against IJA tank concentrations as does artillery because the tanks prioritize shooting at them I believe.
Chinese desperate defense, sacrificing many chewed up devices....has held for now east of Kienko. The crackerjack 3rd New Corp will arrive shortly and the 77th LRP should have time to assemble in Kienko and make it into the defensive lines. In addition an AT unit is heading here too....although they surprisingly don't do as well against IJA tank concentrations as does artillery because the tanks prioritize shooting at them I believe.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Some good intel here...
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
October 15, 1942
Several more grinding attacks in China...our troops generally do very well, and his offensive would be absolutely stopped if we had supplies.
The 77th LRP continues their air transport to Kienko, and has started moving to the front lines...the 3rd New Chinese Corp will arrive to face the tank regiments east of Kienko in combat mode today.
The 254th Armored took some tank replacements today, but didn't upgrade from vickers to Lees. Not enough supply at Kunming....the same old song.
One of our better defenses:
Ground combat at 80,43 (near Ankang)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 27598 troops, 290 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 803
Defending force 31951 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 840
Japanese adjusted assault: 117
Allied adjusted defense: 1441
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 12
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1818 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 114 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Allied ground losses:
352 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Several more grinding attacks in China...our troops generally do very well, and his offensive would be absolutely stopped if we had supplies.
The 77th LRP continues their air transport to Kienko, and has started moving to the front lines...the 3rd New Chinese Corp will arrive to face the tank regiments east of Kienko in combat mode today.
The 254th Armored took some tank replacements today, but didn't upgrade from vickers to Lees. Not enough supply at Kunming....the same old song.
One of our better defenses:
Ground combat at 80,43 (near Ankang)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 27598 troops, 290 guns, 134 vehicles, Assault Value = 803
Defending force 31951 troops, 97 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 840
Japanese adjusted assault: 117
Allied adjusted defense: 1441
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 12
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:
Japanese ground losses:
1818 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 114 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Allied ground losses:
352 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 39 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
So the another experiment will happen shortly in China, and that is can the 77th LRP, equipped with Piats and having a tremendous anti armor of 75 & range 0, actually destroy the IJA tanks, specifically the Type 1 medium tank? Units so equipped have the highest anti armor attack of any infantry in the game. Normally, I can disable IJA AFVs, and destroy the occasional AFV (which I always figured was a support vehicle)...
As we speak they are marching to face off against the massed IJA tank regiments near Kienko.
If this works, there is another LRP brigade railing into Ledo for potential transport to China....and then a shocker...the 22nd East African Brigade might follow as they have Piats too!
For comparison, the stock Chinese AT gun, the 37mm has an anti armor of 53, range 2 -- and the Jungle Guns that the Indians are using have a paltry 25 anti armor but range 6.
The Type 1 Medium tank has armor of 50, range 1....
Perhaps the greatest advantage the Indian units operating in China have, is that they are the first units to get supplied in any hex so it is relatively simple to keep them fully supplies with ammo.
I actually think this might be a game changing tactic in how the AFBs will defend China in the future....causing JFBs to further refine their tactics in taking China. Normally I see the LRPs used rather ineffectively on air drops in Burma behind the lines...however they can certainly be used to great effect in a paradrop roles supporting Allied advances once Burma has fallen...greatly accelerating Allied advances and causing a dispersion of Japanese defenses and hindering rail traffic.
What do you guys think? I was dead wrong about the effectiveness of Stuarts in China (although I think I could have deployed them better effect I think).
As we speak they are marching to face off against the massed IJA tank regiments near Kienko.
If this works, there is another LRP brigade railing into Ledo for potential transport to China....and then a shocker...the 22nd East African Brigade might follow as they have Piats too!
For comparison, the stock Chinese AT gun, the 37mm has an anti armor of 53, range 2 -- and the Jungle Guns that the Indians are using have a paltry 25 anti armor but range 6.
The Type 1 Medium tank has armor of 50, range 1....
Perhaps the greatest advantage the Indian units operating in China have, is that they are the first units to get supplied in any hex so it is relatively simple to keep them fully supplies with ammo.
I actually think this might be a game changing tactic in how the AFBs will defend China in the future....causing JFBs to further refine their tactics in taking China. Normally I see the LRPs used rather ineffectively on air drops in Burma behind the lines...however they can certainly be used to great effect in a paradrop roles supporting Allied advances once Burma has fallen...greatly accelerating Allied advances and causing a dispersion of Japanese defenses and hindering rail traffic.
What do you guys think? I was dead wrong about the effectiveness of Stuarts in China (although I think I could have deployed them better effect I think).
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
I've pretty much neglected these guys...they did assemble at Chittagong for a while when it was being threatened, but the lack of replacement rifle squads made me leery of using them....however they have been around for months and months and could easily all be in China and dug in to a strong defensive position within air supply by now. I didn't realize those African squads were as good as they are! Their starting experience and morale was decent too...at 40 each.
Right now they are biding time holding Jorhat's huge air base....but tomorrow board trains and head for Ledo for possible air transfer to China...probably to hold around the Tuyun area while the heavy guns and motorized support will make the long march from Ledo into China.
Other news in China, the 8th Route Army (Communist TOE) is pulling back for r&r at Chungking where they will take replacements. They use the 47mm AT gun...with its 50 anti armor attack.
Right now they are biding time holding Jorhat's huge air base....but tomorrow board trains and head for Ledo for possible air transfer to China...probably to hold around the Tuyun area while the heavy guns and motorized support will make the long march from Ledo into China.
Other news in China, the 8th Route Army (Communist TOE) is pulling back for r&r at Chungking where they will take replacements. They use the 47mm AT gun...with its 50 anti armor attack.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Yesterday lost a S boat to an Iboat off India...today a little payback. Flew some B25s into a cap trap losing a handful....other than that quiet turn. Marcus Island has had two consecutive days without a bombardment!
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
IME, when attacking artillery with tanks or infantry a DA is more effective and has fewer losses than a SA (unless the enemy arty is out of supply or already disabled). I wonder if it is the same for PIAT squads attacking the tanks - they need to work their way close using cover rather than try to dash out of cover hoping to get close enough for a shot.
I used Stuarts with Infantry in DAs to attack Japanese formations with arty - it worked well enough without too many losses. SAs did not work out and having the Stuarts in Reserve-Pursuit mode did not seem to pay off well when the enemy did retreat. Open terrain might be a different story - my attacks were in Jungle or Jungle Rough terrain.
I used Stuarts with Infantry in DAs to attack Japanese formations with arty - it worked well enough without too many losses. SAs did not work out and having the Stuarts in Reserve-Pursuit mode did not seem to pay off well when the enemy did retreat. Open terrain might be a different story - my attacks were in Jungle or Jungle Rough terrain.
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Octorber 17, 1942
Picture in your mind, the IJA offensive in China from Kienko/Ankgang down south along the very nasty wooded rough terrain...and the crafty Japanese have left 1 unit in most of the hexes and slid fresh divisions to the southern most position near the dot base of Patung...almost all IJAAF bombers are hitting the two Chinese Corps holding here, with more IJA units approaching & Chinese forces trying to cut the line of supply....speaking of supplies for the Chinese they are hard to come by....and moving thru this terrain is incredibly difficult....an analysis of the battle shows the attackers suffering from a fatigue malus, and most likely there will be no attack this next day as one of the divisions has broken down into thirds to facilitate recovery.
Ground combat at 80,45 (near Patung)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 27086 troops, 225 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 760
Defending force 18090 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 569
Japanese adjusted assault: 496
Allied adjusted defense: 256
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
820 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Allied ground losses:
458 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Division
17th Division
Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese/B Corps
Just one of hundreds of sorties against the beleaguered defenders:
Morning Air attack on 73rd Chinese Corps, at 80,45 , near Patung
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 4
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 3
Ki-51 Sonia x 41
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Picture in your mind, the IJA offensive in China from Kienko/Ankgang down south along the very nasty wooded rough terrain...and the crafty Japanese have left 1 unit in most of the hexes and slid fresh divisions to the southern most position near the dot base of Patung...almost all IJAAF bombers are hitting the two Chinese Corps holding here, with more IJA units approaching & Chinese forces trying to cut the line of supply....speaking of supplies for the Chinese they are hard to come by....and moving thru this terrain is incredibly difficult....an analysis of the battle shows the attackers suffering from a fatigue malus, and most likely there will be no attack this next day as one of the divisions has broken down into thirds to facilitate recovery.
Ground combat at 80,45 (near Patung)
Japanese Deliberate attack
Attacking force 27086 troops, 225 guns, 60 vehicles, Assault Value = 760
Defending force 18090 troops, 36 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 569
Japanese adjusted assault: 496
Allied adjusted defense: 256
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1
Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker: fatigue(-)
Japanese ground losses:
820 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 49 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Allied ground losses:
458 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 42 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Assaulting units:
3rd Division
17th Division
Defending units:
73rd Chinese Corps
11th Chinese Corps
100th Chinese/B Corps
Just one of hundreds of sorties against the beleaguered defenders:
Morning Air attack on 73rd Chinese Corps, at 80,45 , near Patung
Weather in hex: Partial cloud
Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-Ic Sally x 4
Ki-21-IIa Sally x 23
Ki-43-IIb Oscar x 24
Ki-49-Ia Helen x 3
Ki-51 Sonia x 41
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49-Ia Helen: 1 damaged
Ki-51 Sonia: 1 damaged
Allied ground losses:
18 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
October 18, 1942
Several torpedoes failed to hit...
Several torpedoes failed to hit...
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
The Idaho bombards....2nd use of the slow battleships. The first was bombarding Marcus Island. Will add another destroyer to the task force.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Morning Air attack on 16th Guards Regiment, at 60,44 , near Shwebo
Weather in hex: Heavy cloud
Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes
Allied aircraft
A-29A Hudson x 10
Blenheim IV x 18
B-18A Bolo x 4
B-25C Mitchell x 5
B-26 Marauder x 26
No Allied losses
Japanese ground losses:
700 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 32 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Also attacking 9th Infantry Regiment ...
Also attacking 16th Guards Regiment ...
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Catch some Sonia's over China...expecting a shock attack here tomorrow. We have got the smaller of the two defending Corps fully supplied by air drop, hoping the larger Corp will get lots of supplies for tomorrows attack.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
My best Chinese fighter squadrons. I like the Lancers drop tanks...giving it lots of versatility, especially in an escort role or unexpected LRCAP surprise. However the Vanguards slightly stronger armaments (dual 50s and quad 30s) compared to the Lancers four 50s make it slightly better at dropping bombers.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Total supply under 14k for the first time...on a descending spiral.
Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
No supply in China to risk an attack...so those British troopers will be using Piats defensively. Some will be on the front line in two days or so...BBfanboy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 12, 2022 5:18 pm IME, when attacking artillery with tanks or infantry a DA is more effective and has fewer losses than a SA (unless the enemy arty is out of supply or already disabled). I wonder if it is the same for PIAT squads attacking the tanks - they need to work their way close using cover rather than try to dash out of cover hoping to get close enough for a shot.
I used Stuarts with Infantry in DAs to attack Japanese formations with arty - it worked well enough without too many losses. SAs did not work out and having the Stuarts in Reserve-Pursuit mode did not seem to pay off well when the enemy did retreat. Open terrain might be a different story - my attacks were in Jungle or Jungle Rough terrain.
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
Well done on the Shokaku.
You seem to have the right idea on BB shore bombardments. I have found CA and CL bombardment TFs to work reasonably well for the more exposed bases in 1942/43, so it's smart to use BBs in rear areas. However, later on there will be some tough frontline nuts to crack which will require steady BB bombardments.
Like witpqs, I prefer more small bombardment TFs vs. fewer large ones. I haven't thought of 14" vs. 16", but wouldn't be surprised if 12x14" is better than 9x16".
One last thing on bombardments: I don't remember player names, but there was a late-game AAR where the AFB was using invasion TFs primarily for bombardment. He'd create an amphibious TF with BBs, escorts and maybe one LCI with supply and "land" the supply at say Nagoya, where he had troops that came by land trying to take the base. It appeared amphib bombardment was more powerful than normal shore bombardment. Some commenters considered it gamey, but I think he justified it by saying it was a real slog at that point in the war.
Cheers,
CB
You seem to have the right idea on BB shore bombardments. I have found CA and CL bombardment TFs to work reasonably well for the more exposed bases in 1942/43, so it's smart to use BBs in rear areas. However, later on there will be some tough frontline nuts to crack which will require steady BB bombardments.
Like witpqs, I prefer more small bombardment TFs vs. fewer large ones. I haven't thought of 14" vs. 16", but wouldn't be surprised if 12x14" is better than 9x16".
One last thing on bombardments: I don't remember player names, but there was a late-game AAR where the AFB was using invasion TFs primarily for bombardment. He'd create an amphibious TF with BBs, escorts and maybe one LCI with supply and "land" the supply at say Nagoya, where he had troops that came by land trying to take the base. It appeared amphib bombardment was more powerful than normal shore bombardment. Some commenters considered it gamey, but I think he justified it by saying it was a real slog at that point in the war.
Cheers,
CB
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
That's bizarre! I would not want to do that either.CaptBeefheart wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:36 am
One last thing on bombardments: I don't remember player names, but there was a late-game AAR where the AFB was using invasion TFs primarily for bombardment. He'd create an amphibious TF with BBs, escorts and maybe one LCI with supply and "land" the supply at say Nagoya, where he had troops that came by land trying to take the base. It appeared amphib bombardment was more powerful than normal shore bombardment. Some commenters considered it gamey, but I think he justified it by saying it was a real slog at that point in the war.
Cheers,
CB
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Re: Spanking Lowpe (NJP72 vs Lowpe (A))
It happened to me in my first pbem...Allies would put one cargo ship with supplies and the rest would be large ships bombarding....lots of messages on it, with Alfred chiming in this was a clear game exploit that the developers never had a chance or time to address.witpqs wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 1:03 pmThat's bizarre! I would not want to do that either.CaptBeefheart wrote: ↑Mon Mar 14, 2022 6:36 am
One last thing on bombardments: I don't remember player names, but there was a late-game AAR where the AFB was using invasion TFs primarily for bombardment. He'd create an amphibious TF with BBs, escorts and maybe one LCI with supply and "land" the supply at say Nagoya, where he had troops that came by land trying to take the base. It appeared amphib bombardment was more powerful than normal shore bombardment. Some commenters considered it gamey, but I think he justified it by saying it was a real slog at that point in the war.
Cheers,
CB