Islands of Destiny: RA 5.0 Japanese Side

[John 3rd]

Couldn't imagine Mr. Roper 'turnin Japanese' but it should come NATURALLY for him...

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I agree with Professor Lowpe, but would add in the targeting of Refineries. No matter how much oil is in Japan, you still need fuel for ships and HI.

I think Dan really needs to play Japan just once to truly understand what needs to be preserved as '45 approaches.

Nah, you need to knock the fighters and night fighter out...everything becomes so much easier then. Japan has an excess of refineries...perhaps hit the refineries in the SRA but on Honshu you should be focused on other things first. Doesn't take long, and a coordinated heavy daylight bombing after deathstar sweeps does miracles for the Allies.

[morejeffs]

Question from an AFB
Do the Japanese (usually) have enough resources? Or is that the least of the worries for the empire?

[Lowpe]

ORIGINAL: morejeffs

Question from an AFB
Do the Japanese (usually) have enough resources? Or is that the least of the worries for the empire?

Resources are the least of Japan's economic worries.

[John 3rd]

I have resources in BUCKETS presently!

His 4EB haven't flown for a couple days. Makes me nervous...

[John 3rd]

December 2, 1944

Today's diet for Japan's Fighters consisted of 2EB. Two ambushes worked over China and here in Malaya. Scratch off nearly 4 dozen of the those fast, nasty beasts.

[John 3rd]

From Balikpapan, a HUGE TF of Tankers raise anchor. The American CVs are moving north so we'll try, once again, to run the gap. This one is big. It carries 155,000 Fuel and 95,000 Oil. If it can get thru then we have enough in the Home Islands to get to May 1945. INSANE!

[Lowpe]

December of 1944...

Are you making any of the Frances-S night fighters for the Navy? It is by far and away the best night fighter that is readily available for Japan. A big step up from IrvingSa

This is one plane, it might make sense to spend supply on to make.

The Peggy NF arrives next month usually. It is much faster than the Nick, has a huge big a$$ gun that is horribly inaccurate, so you might want to stick with the Nick.

Dinah NF allows you to switch 1-2 recon squadrons over to NF duty. You only need a few Dinah's to manually upgrade the squadrons.

[Lecivius]

I'm still trying to wrap my head around 4 dozen 2E lost [X(]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

December 2, 1944

Today's diet for Japan's Fighters consisted of 2EB. Two ambushes worked over China and here in Malaya. Scratch off nearly 4 dozen of the those fast, nasty beasts.

Lovely! Vitamin B-25 is an important part of this balanced diet! [&o]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: morejeffs
Or is that the least of the worries for the empire?

Yes.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: Lowpe

December of 1944...

Are you making any of the Frances-S night fighters for the Navy? It is by far and away the best night fighter that is readily available for Japan. A big step up from IrvingSa

This is one plane, it might make sense to spend supply on to make.

The Peggy NF arrives next month usually. It is much faster than the Nick, has a huge big a$$ gun that is horribly inaccurate, so you might want to stick with the Nick.

Dinah NF allows you to switch 1-2 recon squadrons over to NF duty. You only need a few Dinah's to manually upgrade the squadrons.

Will look when I get home.

[John 3rd]

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

December 2, 1944

Today's diet for Japan's Fighters consisted of 2EB. Two ambushes worked over China and here in Malaya. Scratch off nearly 4 dozen of the those fast, nasty beasts.

Lovely! Vitamin B-25 is an important part of this balanced diet! [&o]

I like to consume large dosages of B-17, B-24, B-25. B-26, and B-29

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

ORIGINAL: John 3rd

December 2, 1944

Today's diet for Japan's Fighters consisted of 2EB. Two ambushes worked over China and here in Malaya. Scratch off nearly 4 dozen of the those fast, nasty beasts.

Lovely! Vitamin B-25 is an important part of this balanced diet! [&o]

I like to consume large dosages of B-17, B-24, B-25. B-26, and B-29

Can you provide a screenshot of the day's B-25 losses from the A2A table? I need a new wallpaper for my phone.

[Lowpe]

Any news on the KB ambush?

[Mike McCreery]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

I'm still trying to wrap my head around 4 dozen 2E lost [X(]

2EB are pretty fragile although some will take a few with em.

[Lecivius]

ORIGINAL: Wargmr

ORIGINAL: Lecivius

I'm still trying to wrap my head around 4 dozen 2E lost [X(]

2EB are pretty fragile although some will take a few with em.

True, but even so that's a huge loss [X(]

[Chickenboy]

ORIGINAL: Lecivius
True, but even so that's a huge loss [X(]

Of course it is. Staggering losses. In case you're just tuning in, you'll find that Canoerebel doesn't care about unmitigated disasters like this from time to time. Just lost 50 DBs that were unescorted and chewed to pieces? Meh. Four dozen 2EBs that were unescorted and destroyed en masse? [YAWN] An ARMY liquidated on Sumatra? Whatever (shrugs).

The Allied surfeit and a lack of 'ownership' about insane losses is what is driving his war effort. IRL, he would have been relieved a long, long time ago. That's never in question in the game.

[AcePylut]

To be fair, though, this games 'victory conditions' doesn't model 'caring' about your pixeltruupen.

Therein lies the "three types" of gamer's I see in pretty much "every" game ever made. There are those that play the "is it realistic" game... there are those that play the game engine and try to exploit it's quirks (Oscars without pilot-oxygen sweeping at 42k feet? No prob - the engine allows it. B29's naval bombing at 100 feet? No problem the engine allows it)... and those that are in between.

In this game, everyone is either "in-between" or "gamey". I know of no one that is "100% historically faithful".


What this game (WiTp2 ???) could do is add a "war weariness" (National Discontent, whatever you want to call it) (or something) level, where the war weariness increases as you lose soldiers, and if you lose more soldiers than some mythical amount, your war weariness increases. too much war weariness and you lose.

Of course, that's considered to be modeled by VP, but it really isn't. All that matters is that you kill more of them than they kill of you... no matter how many of you get killed.

In all honesty, Canoe would have been canned as soon as Sumatra started turning sour. The Japs have the advantage in this case as it would require a revolution or coup to remove John from power.


This is not a criticism of Canoe. He’s rather honest and square when it comes to “historical’ playing. I know John complains about the 1 ship xAKL “scouts” but I don’t see an issue with it. I just consider them to be ‘spy ships with radios and who cares that they have an xAKL designation - it’s well within the realm of possibility’. Sitting a TF in a port hoping to force the enemy to react into the port across that ports 10 billion mines and the (500) 18” Cd guns? That’s gameyness.

It is what it is. I find no fault of Canoe for Sumatra. Yes in real life he’d have been canned – not for the loss of life imho, but that the invasion failed… but then again, if you want real life, play Scen 1 with PDU off and 1000 HR’s restricting what each counter can do.

[Panther Bait]

The whole "he would be fired" thing is kind of ridiculous really. Should John have had to commit seppuku when he got a bunch of carriers sunk out in the Pacific for no meaningful return? It's a game folks! And the player represents thousands of Generals, Admirals, and staff people, not just one absolute leader. At the most extreme, the player is some kind of "national command authority", and Admiral King/Joint Chiefs/etc. survived Pearl Harbor, even if lower level commanders more or less didn't. Churchill survived the loss of Singapore.

Mike