I was sent this WARNING.....

[frank1970]

I just found a method to change the supplies via a cheating tool.
Shall I post the way to do to michalm or shall I inform everybody here?

[USSAmerica]

ORIGINAL: Frank

I just found a method to change the supplies via a cheating tool.
Shall I post the way to do to michalm or shall I inform everybody here?

I would recommend a PM to michaelm first. If he can address it, that would be best.

If he can't close that hole, then maybe making it common knowledge would be best. I don't know....

[CT Grognard]

I'll try my best to translate this for you, sandmann:

"So I think I can isolate the problem for now. It must have something to do with pulling pilots from the replacement pool.

This is underlined by the following set of facts:

His pool is filled with thousands of untrained pilots, which tells me that he first removed the pilots and then he pulled new ones from one of the pools.

The values of the newly-pulled pilots are not always exactly 90, sometimes 89 or 91.

Because of this I think it is part of the game mechanics.

The Japanese over the years get worse and worse pilots and the Allies get better and better pilots.

If one can narrow it down to the replacement pool, then it must be linked to this game mechanic.

Now the question is only how he has managed to be able to pull 90/90. I'm working on it, his statement "I have only used the game engine" makes me suspect that he has either found an exploit inside the game or he has abused the editor tool.

Either way, it's a moral disgrace and cheating your opponent.

But this theory does not explain the ground units.

But what I've also realised after careful consideration is that he has too much supply, for example in China with more than 200,000 tons. But he only uses two transport squadrons from India. There's also something terribly wrong there.

Here I can at the very least narrow it down as far as saying that this must be available anywhere at any time since he has to date only done this where he was under pressure. By this I mean the ground troops.

Oh, very importantly it must be possible to reproduce this as the Japanese side, and indeed all three things, supply, pilots and ground troops.

I'll catch the cheater soon, just give me a little more time."

[frank1970]

just done.
can you pleaase point me to the screen where i find the number of pilots in the experienced pool?

[frank1970]

As a matter of fact cheating is so simple, that I have to say, wow, here are a lot of real gentlemen in this forum!

[Lomri]

Makes me feel bad for sdhundt who posted "Totaly absurd attack results..." here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2871036&mpage=1&key=&#2872279

Looks like his opponent was Roy2008 - and those bombers may have been manned by 90xp pilots.

Honestly it just shows another facet about how insidious cheating is. Folks playing against a cheater are going to see events that they deem crazy and post about it - stirring up a discussion on these results and further skewing an already skewed view on out comes (only abnormal results tend to get posted already). Further degrading discussions on balance, simulation and game play with truly aberrant results.

[CT Grognard]

Cheaters should be hanged by the neck until they are dead.

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: Lomri


Makes me feel bad for sdhundt who posted "Totaly absurd attack results..." here:
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2871036&mpage=1&key=�

Looks like his opponent was Roy2008 - and those bombers may have been manned by 90xp pilots.

Honestly it just shows another facet about how insidious cheating is. Folks playing against a cheater are going to see events that they deem crazy and post about it - stirring up a discussion on these results and further skewing an already skewed view on out comes (only abnormal results tend to get posted already). Further degrading discussions on balance, simulation and game play with truly aberrant results.

I find it interesting that Roy posted in that thread, stating that his pilots were all 85-90 exp and how this is normal for him. It's a bit strange that he is drawing attention to that himself.

[frank1970]

Found the pilot pools, but could not find out how to change the pilot number yet.
But taking some time I am sure it is easily possible to change the number of pilots with medium experience.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Frank

I just found a method to change the supplies via a cheating tool.
Shall I post the way to do to michalm or shall I inform everybody here?

I would recommend a PM to michaelm first. If he can address it, that would be best.

If he can't close that hole, then maybe making it common knowledge would be best. I don't know....

+1

[seille]

Any special reason why you play around with this cheating tool, Frank ?

[Smeulders]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: USS America

ORIGINAL: Frank

I just found a method to change the supplies via a cheating tool.
Shall I post the way to do to michalm or shall I inform everybody here?

I would recommend a PM to michaelm first. If he can address it, that would be best.

If he can't close that hole, then maybe making it common knowledge would be best. I don't know....

+1

Isn't it enough to know the hole exists ? Unless knowledge also leads to simple tests to see if your opponent is abusing it, I don't see the point of telling everyone how to best cheat.

[frank1970]

found a way to change the number of devices in the reserve pools.

I am quite sure, I found out, how cheating WITPAE might work.
Mail was sent to michaelm.

I don´t know whether it is possible to prevent the cheat in a easy way.

[frank1970]

yes, i want to help the guys here to find out how the cheater was doing this stuff.
And to make you feel better, I don´t play pbem [;)]


And just to make everyone feel easy, I will NOT make the way to do public.

PS I do no longer think, ROY used any exploits. It was cheating. If I, a semi illiterate can do it, everyone could do it.

[Historiker]

ORIGINAL: Frank

yes, i want to help the guys here to find out how the cheater was doing this stuff.
And to make you feel better, I don´t play pbem [;)]


And just to make everyone feel easy, I will NOT make the way to do public.

PS I do no longer think, ROY used any exploits. It was cheating. If I, a semi illiterate can do it, everyone could do it.

Thank you for finding that. Hopefully this can be fixed, now!

[CT Grognard]

Since the save game files are encrypted, I can only imagine that it has to do with manipulations of game data intra-game, i.e. while the player is entering his orders for the turn.

[frank1970]

No, I won´t tell you [:'(]

[CT Grognard]

Kein Problem, ist mir egal!

Ich bin doch kein Betruger. Ich hasse Betrueger!

[Historiker]

I am amazed again how many speak and understand German in this forum.

But let's see the positive side. His opponents surely have learned a lot just by facing the pressure of the cheater. As a sideeffect, this backdoors will hopefully be closed, soon.

[frank1970]

Um Himmelswillen, war nur Spaß!
Ich bin mir ganz sicher, dass es hier nur einen cheater gegeben hat!

oh, I was just making fun of you!
I am absolutely sure that there was only one cheater!

Sorry,

Frank