What the AI is doing?
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What the AI is doing?
Is there a secret or a special mode to ask the game to dump, each turn in text files, the production, convoys, units information of the AI?
I really questioning what she is doing.
I really questioning what she is doing.
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RE: What the AI is doing?
ORIGINAL: ncc1701e
I really questioning what she is doing.
you are clearly a single man, or a very brave one
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RE: What the AI is doing?
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There are things very strange done by the AI. I just wonder if there is a sort of debug mechanism or logs. Otherwise, it would be impossible to understand things I am seeing.
There are things very strange done by the AI. I just wonder if there is a sort of debug mechanism or logs. Otherwise, it would be impossible to understand things I am seeing.
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RE: What the AI is doing?
ORIGINAL: ncc1701e
it would be impossible to understand things I am seeing.
You are definitely single
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RE: What the AI is doing?
A.I. always does odd things and it is hard to get around at times.
For example in the 1944 SC3 Europe scenario the Russians 100% abandon the Romanian front to attack Berlin if you play the Axis.
For example in the 1944 SC3 Europe scenario the Russians 100% abandon the Romanian front to attack Berlin if you play the Axis.
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RE: What the AI is doing?
OK but how do you debug then?
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RE: What the AI is doing?
I play and watch and adjust the influence maps and logic reasoning systems. You can only get so close with a game like this. It is far too complex with many variables to make a perfect A.I. opponent. It is way too inefficient. If you want a challenge players have told me optimal supply with veteran experience is a good match.
SC3 has the same issues. I can stuff the Axis in 1940 in France at the default level the 1st time I played it. A.I. just isn't good enough. SC3 has a good A.I.
Civilization has horrible military A.I. that is even more dynamic than WarPlan. The battlefield changes, the enemies change, the fronts change. So their A.I. is stupid.
Stellaris generally their A.I. isn't very good militarily.
I heard HoI4 A.I. is terrible. I don't play it. But I can see why. It is as difficult as my game militarily but has the element of diplomacy. And they have a team of how many A.I. experts?
Now take Unity of Command. That has set scenarios with a fixed goal that is one directional. It is VERY EASY to program an A.I. there. My A.I. system could work in that incredibly easy.
Order of Battle I assume also. I don't play it.
Any game with a fixed battle field can have an excellent A.I. especially if the human isn't allowed to play the other side.
But the more complex and dynamic the game is the harder to program the A.I.
SC3 has the same issues. I can stuff the Axis in 1940 in France at the default level the 1st time I played it. A.I. just isn't good enough. SC3 has a good A.I.
Civilization has horrible military A.I. that is even more dynamic than WarPlan. The battlefield changes, the enemies change, the fronts change. So their A.I. is stupid.
Stellaris generally their A.I. isn't very good militarily.
I heard HoI4 A.I. is terrible. I don't play it. But I can see why. It is as difficult as my game militarily but has the element of diplomacy. And they have a team of how many A.I. experts?
Now take Unity of Command. That has set scenarios with a fixed goal that is one directional. It is VERY EASY to program an A.I. there. My A.I. system could work in that incredibly easy.
Order of Battle I assume also. I don't play it.
Any game with a fixed battle field can have an excellent A.I. especially if the human isn't allowed to play the other side.
But the more complex and dynamic the game is the harder to program the A.I.
Creator Kraken Studios
- WarPlan
- WarPlan Pacific
Designer Strategic Command
- Brute Force (mod) SC2
- Assault on Communism SC2
- Assault on Democracy SC2
- Map Image Importer SC3
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- Brute Force (mod) SC2
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- Map Image Importer SC3
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RE: What the AI is doing?
I still do work on it though because I enjoy it.
Creator Kraken Studios
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Designer Strategic Command
- Brute Force (mod) SC2
- Assault on Communism SC2
- Assault on Democracy SC2
- Map Image Importer SC3
- WarPlan
- WarPlan Pacific
Designer Strategic Command
- Brute Force (mod) SC2
- Assault on Communism SC2
- Assault on Democracy SC2
- Map Image Importer SC3
RE: What the AI is doing?
Big budget games don't have good "AI". WarPlan has a very decent AI, expecting much more is just unrealistic.
RE: What the AI is doing?
I know nothing about the complexity or feasibility of this, but is a "machine learning" algorithm can be implemented, bought, developed?
RE: What the AI is doing?
ORIGINAL: midgard30
I know nothing about the complexity or feasibility of this, but is a "machine learning" algorithm can be implemented, bought, developed?
No. If it could you'd see it in big budget games like Civ6.
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RE: What the AI is doing?
And using a server farm for a game of this type or a quantum computer.
Creator Kraken Studios
- WarPlan
- WarPlan Pacific
Designer Strategic Command
- Brute Force (mod) SC2
- Assault on Communism SC2
- Assault on Democracy SC2
- Map Image Importer SC3
- WarPlan
- WarPlan Pacific
Designer Strategic Command
- Brute Force (mod) SC2
- Assault on Communism SC2
- Assault on Democracy SC2
- Map Image Importer SC3
RE: What the AI is doing?
Do not panic guys. I just wanted to confirm the method to debug AI.
Chancellor Gorkon to Captain James T. Kirk:
You don't trust me, do you? I don't blame you. If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.
You don't trust me, do you? I don't blame you. If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.
RE: What the AI is doing?
It wasn't us panicking..it was the AI
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RE: What the AI is doing?
« Good morning Dave »
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« I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you » The AI
RE: What the AI is doing?
Star Trek: The Motion Picture
Spock:
V'Ger must evolve. It's knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of it's god, doctor, is the answer to it's question, "is there nothing more"?
McCoy:
What more is there than the universe, Spock?
Decker:
Other dimensions. Higher levels of being.
Spock:
The existence of which cannot be proven logically. Therefore, V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.
Kirk:
What V'Ger needs in order to evolve... Is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
Decker:
And joining with it's creator might accomplish that.
McCoy:
You mean this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
Decker:
Let's find out.
Spock:
V'Ger must evolve. It's knowledge has reached the limits of this universe and it must evolve. What it requires of it's god, doctor, is the answer to it's question, "is there nothing more"?
McCoy:
What more is there than the universe, Spock?
Decker:
Other dimensions. Higher levels of being.
Spock:
The existence of which cannot be proven logically. Therefore, V'Ger is incapable of believing in them.
Kirk:
What V'Ger needs in order to evolve... Is a human quality. Our capacity to leap beyond logic.
Decker:
And joining with it's creator might accomplish that.
McCoy:
You mean this machine wants to physically join with a human? Is that possible?
Decker:
Let's find out.
Chancellor Gorkon to Captain James T. Kirk:
You don't trust me, do you? I don't blame you. If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.
You don't trust me, do you? I don't blame you. If there is to be a brave new world, our generation is going to have the hardest time living in it.