Russian status after updates to supply / air

[stjeand]

There is no "variable" date...that I know of. So correct. I do not know a way so say...4 turns after the war starts do X.

BUT it could be possible IF...

You set flag = 1...

THEN before this event you say...if flag = 1 set flag to 2.

Before that event if flag = 2 set flag to 3.

Before that 3 to 4

after all these events...IF flag = 4 do X.

Though it would need to be tested.

Should be easy enough to test with say Denmark?

So Events as follows...

If flag = 3 set flag = 4

if flag = 2 set flag = 3

if flag = 1 set flag = 2

If was set flag = 1


IF flag = 4
Do....



I script all day at work so...I think of crazy stuff all the time.

[CHINCHIN]

Yes, it would work as Stjeand says. But it would be very laborious, since if we contemplate 5 possible dates, for 11 transferred factories, there would be 55 events, plus the 11 of the new location of the factories.

ORIGINAL: stjeand
I script all day at work so...I think of crazy stuff all the time.

je,je,je... I also think about very crazy events. For example, to simulate events such as Strategic Command, in which they ask you if you want to perform different operations or not, it occurred to me to simulate this in WP in the following way:

A new country is created, called "Operation Sea Lion", with its capital in a remote and inaccessible place, I think it is necessary for a new country to have a place on the map, and if the axis declares war on this "nation" , the event is triggered that germany receives, for example, 40 landing craft for 100 PP in the same turn. It would also serve to take Norway and Denmark without invading it, or for many more events. It would not be very good to seed the map with strange countries, but it would work.

[AlvaroSousa]

A thought. If you tie factory rail transfers too much to Axis advances you might cause a cascading situation where 1941 basically determines the war with a higher variance skew than it currently is.

As of now my way is fairly simple with a minor shift in production that guarantees the Soviets get their factories and if the Axis adavance fast enough they gain a little production. All without throwing the Russian production out of whack if the Germans advance too fast.

[ncc1701e]

Perhaps. I was just thinking of the event. Would be great to have something replacing the if_Date=m/d/yyyy.

I would like to suggest a if_Turn=id with id is a number of turn. And it will be used to trigger an event id turns after a flag as fired.

Something like this:

//Germany declares war against USSR
$ChangeTerritory
if_Date=1/1/1939
if_Country=4
if_Alliance=Allies
lifespan=tillTrigger
addReportTo=All
text=Germany declares war against USSR.
flag=1
$End

//USSR moves factories
$GiveResource
if_Turn=5
if_Flag=1
xyControl=233,73,Allies
actionCountry=4
lifespan=tillTrigger
xyArea=237,74,62
addReportTo=All
text=Soviet railed factories come online in the Urals.
$End

This code would mean 5 game turns after flag=1 has fired, trigger this event.

[ncc1701e]

Back to the initial subject, after playing few Barbarossa with 1.00.15, Russians are not so bad. They are better than in the previous patch.
Overruns are indeed an issue but harassing the Germans in 1941 are now rewarding with the new rail repair rate.

[redrum68]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

A thought. If you tie factory rail transfers too much to Axis advances you might cause a cascading situation where 1941 basically determines the war with a higher variance skew than it currently is.

As of now my way is fairly simple with a minor shift in production that guarantees the Soviets get their factories and if the Axis adavance fast enough they gain a little production. All without throwing the Russian production out of whack if the Germans advance too fast.

Agree. You generally want USSR to be very resilient so that in most games they survive and eventually can push the Axis back in the later years so more games last til 44/45. If you make more production or factory evacuations near the initial front then if USSR has a bad 1941 then its GG.

[aoffen]

I think Russia's ability to counter attack in winter needs some attention. I agree in 41, they are looking ok, particularly if overruns are fixed. But they have no real ability to hurt the Germans in Winter turns. At the moment Summer '42, basically just kicks off where Summer '41 ended.

I don't know the solution, but having played 2 Winters under this patch (1 as Germans, 1 as Russians) there was no Russian threat in the winter all - I couldn't even hurt the Rumanians.

Some suggestions -
all Siberians come with Winter speciality pre loaded
A generic winter combat bonus for all winterised troops

Separate question - are rivers being frozen in Winter in Russia? In the south I still got the river symbol and my guys get halved. Does it work in the Arctic zone?

[Nirosi]

are rivers being frozen in Winter in Russia

Only in blizzard, but not in snow I think.

[CHINCHIN]

Yes, it is necessary to calculate very well the evacuation of factories, so that they do not have a large amount of PP in transit, and therefore without being able to use it.

The problem of the Russian winter is that despite the fact that a few turns of snow pass, in which the German units lose effectiveness, and the Russians do not. The penalty for attacking in bad weather makes up for this greatly.

Either way, you have to attack. I wait for a few turns of snow to pass, and I attack as much as I can, I reserve the air force until then, and I use it to support the attacks, since the German fighters no longer have that much superiority.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: aoffen

Some suggestions -
all Siberians come with Winter speciality pre loaded

Is it really useful? In our game, I have saved points to put winter specialization for the four Siberian corps.
Did you notice a difference during their counter-attack?

Did you even notice I was counter-attacking? [:D]

[aoffen]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

ORIGINAL: aoffen

Some suggestions -
all Siberians come with Winter speciality pre loaded

Is it really useful? In our game, I have saved points to put winter specialization for the four Siberian corps.
Did you notice a difference during their counter-attack?

Did you even notice I was counter-attacking? [:D]

LOL. I did notice. I moved reserves to the area just in case. But you’re right. It was a non event

[aoffen]

I guess we should ask Alvaro.

Do you think Russia’s inability to launch a significant winter offensive is an issue?

[stjeand]

41 is to early for the Russians to do anything...
The German supplies are fine by winter...and if their units reach the winter with near full efficiency you are not able to do anything due to the armor moving so slowly.

You basically have to harass German units that are not near rail lines, that way their efficiency is lower and does not return fast enough.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: stjeand

I maxed lend least to the Russians...but ran out of manpower. They basically had 42% at the start of the Spring of 42...I could not longer build units. Only received 22 MP per turn...and the Russian units cost 36...

April 24, 1942, my manpower for USSR is at 763 - 54%. I am getting 29 MP per turn.
Are you disband units to recreate new ones?

Buying one Infantry Army at 36 MP, I am down to 727 - 51%. Despite having enough PP to buy a second one, manpower is limiting the Red Army. And just to add, I have plenty of units that are not a full strength.

[ncc1701e]

ORIGINAL: AlvaroSousa

It already takes me considerable time to update all the scenarios in WPE. The changes have to be small or it can completely throw off the balance.

I have changed the overrun rule as I noticed something was off. I added an addition condition of the unit being 1/3rd strength or less. If it gets an overrun result AND is over 1/3rd strength it instead retreats. This should really help the Russians. I also managed to change the reinforce button to no reinforce/reinforce/reinforce+upgrade which also should help balancing the entire game from start to end.

The dynamics of the game were that Russia gets killed early, and if they survive Germany gets kill in 1944 usually. It needs to be balanced to where the game goes to 1945.

Since an unit overrun is disappearing, it does not consume manpower for repair. What I foresee by this new rule is more fighting, more damage to existing units and a need for more manpower to repair them.

USSR will be short of manpower earlier in theory.

[ncc1701e]

I have done a quick research on the net.

British army
By the end of 1939 the British Army's size had risen to 1.1 million men. By June 1940 it stood at 1.65 million men and had further increased to 2.2 million men by June 1941. The size of the British Army peaked in June 1945, at 2.9 million men. By the end of the Second World War some three million people had served.

In the game, I never have manpower issue with UK.

US army
U.S. involvement in WWII grew to be about 16,000,000 military personnel by the war's end: approximately 11,200,000 in the Army, 4,200,000 in the Navy, and 660,000 in the Marine Corps. So, let's say 11,000,000 men since WPE is focused on Europe.

In the game, I never have manpower issue with USA.

USSR army
The Red Army had about 4.8 million soldiers in total. This was in 1941, the Germans and their satellites had about 5.5 million troops. By 1945 the Soviets mobilized over 29.5 million soldiers, not counting the initial state.

So I don't understand why USSR has manpower issue in the game early 1942. It should be more in 1944 with all losses taken.
Alvaro, do you agree with above numbers? Is it what is in the code?

For example, firing Europe 1939 scenario, the first turn, USSR receives 47 MP per turn. And now in my game, April 24, 1942, I am receiving 29 MP per turn.

How do you explain such a drop in Manpower Point (MP) per turn between 1939 and 1942?

[canuckgamer]

The update can't come soon enough. Last turn in our PBEM the Russians had two corps overrun at 6-1 odds. One had 20 SP left while the other had 25 left so it was at 83.3% of it's full strength. We are in June 42 and we have yet to see a shattered result for either side.

[AlvaroSousa]

They lost a lot of population is in the Western part of the country.

They lose it when Germany goes to war and takes PP/MP cities from them.

They killed ~20-25m civilians throughout the war.

I have played plenty of games against a better player and I only have MP issues late in the game as I should.

[michaelCLARADY]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

I don't know so far. I surely failed my German attack. The rifle corps in garrison mode are super hard in my game. Don't know the secret of my opponent.

Me, as Russian, I can just fallback.

The garrison mode gambit is so very Russian- position the unit and take away it's transport. Stand your ground or die. I wager those units have been locked against withdrawing also.

[aoffen]

ORIGINAL: ncc1701e

April 24, 1942, my manpower for USSR is at 763 - 54%. I am getting 29 MP per turn.
Are you disband units to recreate new ones?

Buying one Infantry Army at 36 MP, I am down to 727 - 51%. Despite having enough PP to buy a second one, manpower is limiting the Red Army. And just to add, I have plenty of units that are not a full strength.

My observation would be very heavy casualties in Russian counterattacks, lots of units overrun or cut off and killed, lots of cities lost. I can’t see my manpower as the turn is with you, but I don’t think I have any issues. I have spent a lot of money (PP) upgrading units and disbanded a number of the 20% training ones as better units came online. Maybe that tilts the balance.