Italy auto joins early June?

[boldairade]

Has this akways been a thing? Am I crazy or did Germany used to have to take significant VP hexes for Italy to join?

Was this changed in a patch?

[AlvaroSousa]

Nothing has changed. Do you have the garrison in Egypt?

Look at scenario notes for Italy.

[boldairade]

'italy automatically joins the axis june 1st 1940'

that's the scenario notes

i just didn't remember that ever happening before

[Nirosi]

If I recall correctly it has changed but a while ago. In my first games, one needed a certain number of points in France, but it was changed to automatic mid-June.

[boldairade]

If I recall correctly it has changed but a while ago. In my first games, one needed a certain number of points in France, but it was changed to automatic mid-June.

this would make sense, as i have not played since our long ago match

what a nasty surprise!!

[stjeand]

It used to be when Germany got adjacent to Paris...but a time was added because some players were taking to long and needed the assistance. At least I think that was the reason.

[boldairade]

It used to be when Germany got adjacent to Paris...but a time was added because some players were taking to long and needed the assistance. At least I think that was the reason.

Should Germany be close to wrapping up the war in early June?

That seems quick to me ?

[stjeand]

Well in reality they did.
France fell last June...so they should be near Paris in early June.

The issue in game is they finish off France fast enough that they can tear through Yugoslavia before winter and then get to Greece in 1940.
This changes the Russian campaign and the Germans are ready May of 41. There are even times that you get a clear April and that means an even sooner attack on Russia.

Russia was originally attacked in June which is at least a month past the current time they are able to be attacked in Warplan. 2 more turns is huge for Russia. It means 8 turns to be attacked rather than 10 (I might be off by one turn).

Right now the debate is, Russia is not strong enough to withstand German attacks.
Remove 2 weeks from 1941 and it is a bigger plus for Russia.

After the most recent update I have not lost as Russia...but that does not mean someone won't finally break through.

[boldairade]

that makes sense

but assuming germany is able to focus on france in early may(a stretch, if they used a turn to take out belgium)

that would mean germany would need to be on top of paris in two turns

seems kinda quick

due to the fact that nobody is going to make the mistake france did, i always thought the idea of getting a historical capitulation was pretty far fetched

the game i'm playing currently is using a fixed weather mod, which will prob be a really big advantage to germany, allowing them an extra two turns in the southern regions of russia weather wise. it might solve the problem of russia not being vulnerable enough

[stjeand]

It is rarely possible to get to Paris in June...BUT a clear April has happened and I have been next to Paris in June before.


The only good thing about fixed weather is the Allies know what is coming.
Prior Germany has a huge advantage knowing and moving.
I would like to see it switch to the Allies say in January of 43 but doubt it can be done is the current version.

[boldairade]

It is rarely possible to get to Paris in June...BUT a clear April has happened and I have been next to Paris in June before.


The only good thing about fixed weather is the Allies know what is coming.
Prior Germany has a huge advantage knowing and moving.
I would like to see it switch to the Allies say in January of 43 but doubt it can be done is the current version.

i've actually found that the fixed weather is a HUGE advantage for the Axis, as they are guaranteed perfect weather from early may through the fall

this not only means they get good campaigning weather, but they KNOW they are going to get it-

which is just as valuable, as it allows them to not take any chances or expose their formations to any risk

at least, that's how it has panned out so far

the way it's set up in my game, there is about a 0% chance russia will survive in any effective form, as the campaign season on the southern front has been lengthened by about 6 turns.

[stjeand]

Well I agree it is a benefit for the Axis...it is also a benefit for the Allies as they know the weather too.

Knowing that the next turn will be rain, the Allies could launch an offensive, so if they lose they know no counter attack is coming.

I like a little randomness in the weather just not the way some of it works...

Cold in Russia is a problem. It was still crippling to the Axis so should have the effect of Blizzard for efficiency loss.
Russia also needs "mud" which slows the Germans down some.


Then again I have not lost as the Russians since the updates a couple years ago.
Though I am still trying to get better as them and hold with them rather than have to try some crazy Allied invasions to pull off the pressure.

[boldairade]

if this game ever got to the point where the allies counter attacked, you're prob right about it benefitting them

however, the odds of getting there are really low in my estimation

it's endless clear weather in mother russia

general winter, and his close friend, colonel mud, are virtually absent

[stjeand]

Well then the weather is not correctly built.

October and November should be rain...December, Jan and Feb snow, then rain in March and April.


Clear/cold turns in 1941, 1942 are often game changes for the Axis.
That is why I liked the Severe Weather version, but there is a huge Iraq bug that will hopefully get fixed in the next version.

[boldairade]

This mod has weather similar to that on the n and central fronts

The south though

Smooth sailing. Kursk and Rostov are foregone conclusions

Russian oil would be an easy target for 42

It’s kind of an interesting thought though, what might happen

I think if you had a new/novice axis player vs a strong Allie’s player this might be a good way to make the game asymmetrical