Download vs. Physical Option

[Erik Rutins]

Hi everyone,

We're going to have an announcement next week about our decision on this. I'm sorry for the additional wait, but wanted to let you know more information is coming.

Regards,

- Erik

[Rekm41]

What does that mean Eric? Are you going to offer a choice? What about customers that have already purchased?

[Dorb]

Stay the course Erik. The way it was brought to market was done for a reason. Everyone knows this when they come here to buy it. If they don't they can try and buy something else like it - which there is nothing. They will find away if they want it bad enough. Way to close to launch date to change.

[danimaning2]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Hi everyone,

We're going to have an announcement next week about our decision on this. I'm sorry for the additional wait, but wanted to let you know more information is coming.

Regards,

- Erik

A lot of thanks Erik, i see that Matrix listens to his customers.
I am sure that if the only download its avaible, a lot of people buy the game, like me. And the guys that want the book can buy it too.
All the people wins (only Fedex loose)[:)]

[jhdeerslayer]

Funny if I had a choice up front, I would have skipped the books. But now that I have them and appreciate them, and did it over again, I'd buy the books.

[henri51]

Me too: if it had been an option, I probably would not have bought the books due to the $45 delivery charge here in Canada, but now I am glad that I have them.

[javimm]

Great to hear about this. I do really want the books, but until there's no european supplier, I won't buy the game (customs+shipping from the US is too high for me to justify buying the game). If european supply never happens, I'll surely buy the download only game.

[Lascar]

I haven't bought MWIF yet, but I still intend to buy the full physical. The rave reviews of the quality of the manuals is compelling and it is a very unique product. I don't know of any other computer wargame that has such high quality hardbound manuals. It helps that my wargame budget is very modest and I seldom buy more than one per year and in some years none at all. This is one that I have been waiting for a long time--a classic boardgame ported over to the computer in a brilliant way.

I sympathize with those who need to have it shipped a long distance and having to pay the very hefty shipping costs. I lucked out in that regard because I live in Portland,OR where they are being shipped from. So to be fair there probably should be a download only option. But then again this is a very special offering for a very special game...

[Dorb]

Lascar, hate to sound like the movie folks, - If you only buy one PC game this year about WWII make it...

[Lascar]

ORIGINAL: Dorb

Lascar, hate to sound like the movie folks, - If you only buy one PC game this year about WWII make it...

Absolutely, it is the definite strategic level WWII game. I played the boardgame version (just solo) more than 20 years ago and enjoyed it but I just couldn't find the physical space to keep it up and going for long, especially with a cat waiting for the opportunity to jump up on the table.[:(]

I am originally from Northeast Ohio, came to Oregon 30 years ago, where are you in the Buckeye state?

[76mm]

ORIGINAL: Dorb
The way it was brought to market was done for a reason.

Which was?

[Greyshaft]

ORIGINAL: 76mm

ORIGINAL: Dorb
The way it was brought to market was done for a reason.

Which was?

I subscribe to the theory that ADG set a minimum price for MWiF in order that it would not eat into sales of cardboard WiF. After all, if you could buy computer MWiF for (say) $60 then why would you even consider buying the real thing which cost a lot more for a comparable product? Once the price point was set at $100 then some genius (no sarcasm intended - I think it was a great idea) decided to include the heavyweight manuals in the purchase price to make the deal sweeter. ADG has a perfect right to do this and I fear that Matrix is stuck in the middle between their contract with ADG and a small proportion of the fanbase chanting "We don't want no stinking manuals".

I have no special knowledge in the matter and I could be completely wrong, but it makes perfect sense to me.

I predict that Matrix will soon change the purchase model to Digital Download = $100 but if you tick the box and pay the postage then they will send you a set of beautiful manuals at no extra charge.

[Gresbeck]

What about customers that have already purchased?

+ 1. A discount coupon, maybe[:D]? After all I paid 111,99 + 31,07 = 143,06 euro = 193 USD. I will try to enter the Guinness, and it could be a satisfaction, but ....

[DSWargamer]

Hmmm while I KNOW what the reply to this will be, the truth is, if they waffle, and then they cave in, and then they offer the download sans books, regardless of price reduction, it will only result in backlash.

They will only change from annoying one batch of people, for annoying a different batch of people. They will still have annoyed people, and they will likely simply not genuinely have solved anything.

Now of course if they want to offer solid statements to the effect, 'we sold enough of the books to reach a predetermined cash goal', or if they state they have renegotiated a deal with ADG to do so, then I suppose it would at least be accomplished with a justification offered.

I don't seriously expect any actual hard fast statements like that of course.

Hell as I see it, it isn't my business ie the company is not my company, and they can make any decisions they wish I won't change from liking my books, preferring my books and I won't have any beef with what I paid for my books.

But I reserve the right to have an opinion on the choice

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: DSWargamer

Hmmm while I KNOW what the reply to this will be, the truth is, if they waffle, and then they cave in, and then they offer the download sans books, regardless of price reduction, it will only result in backlash.

They will only change from annoying one batch of people, for annoying a different batch of people. They will still have annoyed people, and they will likely simply not genuinely have solved anything.

Now of course if they want to offer solid statements to the effect, 'we sold enough of the books to reach a predetermined cash goal', or if they state they have renegotiated a deal with ADG to do so, then I suppose it would at least be accomplished with a justification offered.

I don't seriously expect any actual hard fast statements like that of course.

Hell as I see it, it isn't my business ie the company is not my company, and they can make any decisions they wish I won't change from liking my books, preferring my books and I won't have any beef with what I paid for my books.

But I reserve the right to have an opinion on the choice

warspite1

Well if people are upset then sorry but that's life. Caveat Emptor and all that. How many times have we bought things in life, only to see them on sale a short while after? This (if it happens) is hardly new.

I bought the game as was - I had the choice. I chose to pay what it cost at the time and now (possibly) the cost may come down a few weeks later. Well there will be no moaning from me either. I love the books, I love the game. Honestly, if you told me I would be $57 less by waiting - what? - 3-4 weeks, then I would have paid the $57.

The game is the one I have been waiting for for almost 20 years (since I last played WIF) and 5 years since I knew Matrix were developing the game. The game is amazing, the books are a work of art.

[captskillet]

Wasn't too happy at the time but I made a decision and in retrospect I am glad that I did (books are great).........and yes warspite1 stuff going on sale after the fact happens all the time......sh*t happens!

[icitrom_y]

Another type of s**t that happens is that retailers understand the situation and the resentment that it can cause.
 
As just one example of a common retailer, Canadian Tire will honour sale prices for items purchased at full price for weeks prior to the sale.
 
Lee Valley, a woodworking retailer, once sent me a refund cheque out of the blue. The note attached said their records showed that I purchased an item three weeks prior that happened to just go on sale. They sent me the difference.
 
But yes, then again there are plenty of companies that say tough s**t. It's a question of character.
.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: icitrom_y

Another type of s**t that happens is that retailers understand the situation and the resentment that it can cause.

As just one example of a common retailer, Canadian Tire will honour sale prices for items purchased at full price for weeks prior to the sale.

Lee Valley, a woodworking retailer, once sent me a refund cheque out of the blue. The note attached said their records showed that I purchased an item three weeks prior that happened to just go on sale. They sent me the difference.

But yes, then again there are plenty of companies that say tough s**t. It's a question of character.
.

warspite1

Great stories.... go tell readers digest.....

[Talon_XBMCX]

I purchased WitP because AE was to be an add on ... then Matrix changed and made it stand alone a few weeks later. At pennies per hour for cost, I think I got (and continue to receive) great value.

[undercovergeek]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: icitrom_y

Another type of s**t that happens is that retailers understand the situation and the resentment that it can cause.

As just one example of a common retailer, Canadian Tire will honour sale prices for items purchased at full price for weeks prior to the sale.

Lee Valley, a woodworking retailer, once sent me a refund cheque out of the blue. The note attached said their records showed that I purchased an item three weeks prior that happened to just go on sale. They sent me the difference.

But yes, then again there are plenty of companies that say tough s**t. It's a question of character.
.

warspite1

Great stories.... go tell readers digest.....

if youre happy with your purchase, dont care what anyone else does - why are you so bitter?