AltHist-A: Shall We Try Again?
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- Marshal Villars
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Just so everyone here knows, by tomorrow, we may have new rules for section 8 and 9. They are about to get a major clean up, OR be totally rewritten and simplified. [X(]
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Yes, apologies for the early sending from Spain. The Minister of the Crown responsible for Alt_Hist files has been sacked, his estates forefit and his Cat confiscated and given to a good home. Thankfully the mighty Spanish Navy maintains a couple of galleys for just such infractions.
Charles IV promises to do better and will ensure that the new Minister of Filing awaits all files and then combines them Before sending.
In the meantime all should have Spain's response within 12-hours of receiving notes from all the Powers. To date We have heard from Marshal
Poniatowski and His Highness the Sultan Selim III.
Charles IV
King of Spain, Seville and Castille, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of Mexico and the Americas
PS
Being a PBEM noob, I would really appreciate some guidance as to any PBEM etiquette, do's, don'ts and that sort of thing. Privately if you like or not as appropraite. Thanks in advance and Good Luck to All.
Charles IV promises to do better and will ensure that the new Minister of Filing awaits all files and then combines them Before sending.
In the meantime all should have Spain's response within 12-hours of receiving notes from all the Powers. To date We have heard from Marshal
Poniatowski and His Highness the Sultan Selim III.
Charles IV
King of Spain, Seville and Castille, Defender of the Faith, Emperor of Mexico and the Americas
PS
Being a PBEM noob, I would really appreciate some guidance as to any PBEM etiquette, do's, don'ts and that sort of thing. Privately if you like or not as appropraite. Thanks in advance and Good Luck to All.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Officially posted addition to 7.1.
7.1.3 For the purposes of 7.1 additional regions which are not considered to be home provinces and may be removed from their non-native owners at regular (non-doubled) CoG:EE costs:
a) Neither province in Silesia (Silesia, Breslau) is to be considered to be a Prussian home province, but they are Austrian provinces, currently conquered by Prussia (officially taken in 1742)
b) The province of West Prussia is not to be considered a Prussian home province, but it is a Polish province, currently conquered by Prussia (taken in 1772).
c) In spite of the fact that it has a conquered minor flag in it, Eastern Prussia IS a Prussian home territory for the purposes of 7.1.
d) Most Russian provinces on the eastern borders of Poland are not to be considered Russian home provinces, but are Polish provinces, currently conquered by Russia (conquered between 1667 and 1772). Complete list: Yekaterinoslav, Pryluky, Chernigov, Gomel, Vitebsk, Smolensk, Pskov, Mogilev, Bryansk, Sumy.
e) The provinces of Vinnitsa and Odessa are not to be considered home provinces of Russia, but are conquered minor provinces of the nationality Jedisan (taken from the Ottomans as recently as 1792!)
f) Livonia and Istria are not to be considered Russian home provinces, but are Swedish provinces, currently conquered by Russia (conquered between 1710 and 1721).
g) The Austrian provinces of Galicia, Lodomeria, and Bukovina are not to be considered Austrian home provinces, but are each Polish provinces (including those marked otherwise), currently conquered by Austria (taken in 1772).
h) For the purposes of rule 7.1, the provinces of Podolia, Cherkasy, Kiev, and Zhytomyr are each to be considered conquered Ukrainian provinces and are not to be considered Polish or Russian home provinces. These lands were part of the larger Cossack nation which inhabited these regions and was often prone to nasty revolts!
i) Scotland, Wales, and Ireland are not to be considered British home provinces, but conquered provinces, each of their respective nationality.
Please note that when I finish up 8.0 and 9.0 tomorrow, it should be the last of the larger changes to the rules. I simply have been swamped with work and I have been trying to keep this PBEM at the top of my list of things to do, but it occassionaly doesn't hit the TOP of the stack for more than 2 hours at a time! I do apologize! [&o]
However, true fans of history will appreciate these changes and the additional authenticity they add to the game. The downsides of being Poland are many. The upside is (if one can see it this way) everyone is sitting on our land! Including those darned Cossacks in Cherkasy and Zhytomyr! LOL
7.1.3 For the purposes of 7.1 additional regions which are not considered to be home provinces and may be removed from their non-native owners at regular (non-doubled) CoG:EE costs:
a) Neither province in Silesia (Silesia, Breslau) is to be considered to be a Prussian home province, but they are Austrian provinces, currently conquered by Prussia (officially taken in 1742)
b) The province of West Prussia is not to be considered a Prussian home province, but it is a Polish province, currently conquered by Prussia (taken in 1772).
c) In spite of the fact that it has a conquered minor flag in it, Eastern Prussia IS a Prussian home territory for the purposes of 7.1.
d) Most Russian provinces on the eastern borders of Poland are not to be considered Russian home provinces, but are Polish provinces, currently conquered by Russia (conquered between 1667 and 1772). Complete list: Yekaterinoslav, Pryluky, Chernigov, Gomel, Vitebsk, Smolensk, Pskov, Mogilev, Bryansk, Sumy.
e) The provinces of Vinnitsa and Odessa are not to be considered home provinces of Russia, but are conquered minor provinces of the nationality Jedisan (taken from the Ottomans as recently as 1792!)
f) Livonia and Istria are not to be considered Russian home provinces, but are Swedish provinces, currently conquered by Russia (conquered between 1710 and 1721).
g) The Austrian provinces of Galicia, Lodomeria, and Bukovina are not to be considered Austrian home provinces, but are each Polish provinces (including those marked otherwise), currently conquered by Austria (taken in 1772).
h) For the purposes of rule 7.1, the provinces of Podolia, Cherkasy, Kiev, and Zhytomyr are each to be considered conquered Ukrainian provinces and are not to be considered Polish or Russian home provinces. These lands were part of the larger Cossack nation which inhabited these regions and was often prone to nasty revolts!
i) Scotland, Wales, and Ireland are not to be considered British home provinces, but conquered provinces, each of their respective nationality.
Please note that when I finish up 8.0 and 9.0 tomorrow, it should be the last of the larger changes to the rules. I simply have been swamped with work and I have been trying to keep this PBEM at the top of my list of things to do, but it occassionaly doesn't hit the TOP of the stack for more than 2 hours at a time! I do apologize! [&o]
However, true fans of history will appreciate these changes and the additional authenticity they add to the game. The downsides of being Poland are many. The upside is (if one can see it this way) everyone is sitting on our land! Including those darned Cossacks in Cherkasy and Zhytomyr! LOL
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Thanks for the clarification, for some reason I missed 2.0, must've thought it wasn't important lol. I'm down with a nasty cold, will try to get started as soon as possible.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Just a reminder to everyone to follow the invasion email format when emailing Gil with your invasion plans. Only invasion plans following this exact format will be accepted as valid (just to make Gil's life simple!). See rule 4.6.9 for this:
4.6.9 INVASION EMAIL FORMAT: Any player wishing to plan for the landing of multiple units per turn in an enemy controlled province must send their "invasion preparation" email to Gil R (whose email will be made available to the group, but will not be posted here). To facilitate storage and record retrieval if needed, the format for the title of the email will be EXACTLY as follows:
ALTHIST (Nation) (Month) (Year) Invasion Plan
For instance, if in their April 1796 turn, Britain would like to commence the planning of an invasion of Brittany, the title for the email title would look exactly like this:
ALTHIST Britain April 1796 Invasion Plan
The target province is called out INSIDE of the email in the short, one line statement as follows:
On her April 1796 turn, Britain begins the planning of the invasion of Brittany.
4.6.9 INVASION EMAIL FORMAT: Any player wishing to plan for the landing of multiple units per turn in an enemy controlled province must send their "invasion preparation" email to Gil R (whose email will be made available to the group, but will not be posted here). To facilitate storage and record retrieval if needed, the format for the title of the email will be EXACTLY as follows:
ALTHIST (Nation) (Month) (Year) Invasion Plan
For instance, if in their April 1796 turn, Britain would like to commence the planning of an invasion of Brittany, the title for the email title would look exactly like this:
ALTHIST Britain April 1796 Invasion Plan
The target province is called out INSIDE of the email in the short, one line statement as follows:
On her April 1796 turn, Britain begins the planning of the invasion of Brittany.
RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Britains turn 1 in (although alot later than estimated)
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Austria sent. Sorry about my slow response to diplomacy, will try to get to it sometime today.
RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Hopefully some people will hurry up and we can do turn 1 here pretty soon, I am getting bored!
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
As of writing one Power to go.
RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
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As of writing one Power to go.
Who?
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
PM sent to the Marshal.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Well,
Randomizer has indicated that:
"Russia and myself remain but Prussia sent files for Turn 001 not Turn 000, probably due to the false start (apologies for that) but I do not know if it makes a difference or not."
This is interesting. Because when I opened up Mus's file and executed Poland's turn and clicked end turn, the file title generated said it was Poland's 003 turn! So, what is going on? Are we doing something wrong?
Do we need to do something before Andrew Kurtz gets back in?
By the way, remember that Russia is Andrew Kurtz and he said he would be gone for a bit. I will check his message again.
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Randomizer has indicated that:
"Russia and myself remain but Prussia sent files for Turn 001 not Turn 000, probably due to the false start (apologies for that) but I do not know if it makes a difference or not."
This is interesting. Because when I opened up Mus's file and executed Poland's turn and clicked end turn, the file title generated said it was Poland's 003 turn! So, what is going on? Are we doing something wrong?
Do we need to do something before Andrew Kurtz gets back in?
By the way, remember that Russia is Andrew Kurtz and he said he would be gone for a bit. I will check his message again.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Here is what Andrew Kurtz said in an earlier post on page 3:
"Sadly, I'm going to be a slight hold up on this. I have an overnight business related trip and will not be able to look at this until late Friday night. So Russia might be delayed until Friday night or Saturday."
Fair enough.
"Sadly, I'm going to be a slight hold up on this. I have an overnight business related trip and will not be able to look at this until late Friday night. So Russia might be delayed until Friday night or Saturday."
Fair enough.

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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Randomizer, when you merge files for the first time, you need to check out Kingmaker's excellent post describing the process at:
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
ORIGINAL: Marshal Villars
This is interesting. Because when I opened up Mus's file and executed Poland's turn and clicked end turn, the file title generated said it was Poland's 003 turn! So, what is going on? Are we doing something wrong?
You sure about that? There might be a 3 in the file name somewhere if you are Poland because Poland takes Swedens spot (3rd to go) but it should say turn 0 in there somewhere.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
LOL. You're right Mus.
Yay!

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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Thanks for the Link, Cat can starve and Wife can look after herself for the time it takes this to happen!
Prussia's game files are showing as Turn 001 and everybody elses are Turn 000. I suspect this is related to the false start and will probably matter but do not know for sure.
Any ideas on this while we await the Czar?
Stupid real-life has sucked Saturday away but if this can get sorted out in the next four or five hours I can get the game out tonight (that is to say evening in the Pacific Daylight time zone; GMT -7 hours).
Chris
aka Charles IV and yada yada.
Prussia's game files are showing as Turn 001 and everybody elses are Turn 000. I suspect this is related to the false start and will probably matter but do not know for sure.
Any ideas on this while we await the Czar?
Stupid real-life has sucked Saturday away but if this can get sorted out in the next four or five hours I can get the game out tonight (that is to say evening in the Pacific Daylight time zone; GMT -7 hours).
Chris
aka Charles IV and yada yada.
RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
Yeah, that would indicate Prussia did their turn off the file you sent them instead of the file I sent them. So Prussia has to resubmit their Turn 0 done by opening the right files.
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RE: 1792 AltHist-A PBEM
I will try to make sure that Prussia gets his turn in again. 
