I feel like a Beta Tester

[Kai]

This is a great game when it isn't crashing to desktop.

This is my 4th attempt at playing the Grand Campaign.

Each time, it starts out well. Then, turn by turn, the crashes to desktop become more and more common. Eventually, I get a crash about every other turn.

When I crash, the game rolls back a turn, so I lose all of my moves and input.

Really hope that AGEOD can get a patch out soon. It's becoming really frustrating. I've got a bunch of other AGEOD games and haven't had anything near this level of bugginess with them.

[basilstaghare]

I haven't had as bad luck as you with CTD's, but I have noticed that if I save after moves, I do not loose my orders when it does crash....

[La Provence]

Oh !

I had a very bad experience with EIA in the past.
So, is it possible to play with a complete napoleonic game ?

[Queeg]

WoN, while currently unplayable, has rekindled my interest in the Napoleonic era. I've dusted off my old copy of Crown of Glory Emperor's Edition, which is still the best Napoleonic strategy/war game available. Even when (if?) WoN is fixed, it won't offer the economic and diplomatic depth of CoGEE.

[gexmex]

Try the 1.02 Beta patch over on AGEOD's forum. It's worked well for me. I've experienced the repeated crashes also before I installed the patch and agree that it's very frustrating, but saying that WoN is unplayable is an exaggeration. I've quite enjoyed my time with it, despite the crashes. Your mileage may vary though, I guess.

[Aurelian]

I'm eight turns into a solitaire and six turns into a seven player PBEM of this "unplayable" game.

[zakblood]

tbh i think the developers should be given some slack, and here's my main and only reason why,

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100 million dollars for development of a game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWq8ynU ... e=youtu.be

just watch it, then make your own mind up if you still think the gamer in question is one, unplayable or unfinished, in the grand scale of things, if your not sure, watch my link again,

pc company, 100 million dollars, nobody sets up his pc for a live demo, game doesn't even work, pc locks up, takes for ever to load, latest fastest pc in use btw, and how many times does it freeze? crash or stop working, and you think you are having a bad day, lol

[;)]

[Queeg]

ORIGINAL: zakblood

tbh i think the developers should be given some slack,

I've been cutting these guys slack for years. Yes, they are a small developer, etc. And no one expects perfection.

But it is fair to ask that they at least learn from their previous mistakes. There's really no excuse for the CTDs in this game - the game system is at least five years old! Units that wander aimlessly all over the map. Events that don't fire. Every game they release seems like they've never made one before. And I'm sure we'll still have to go through the traditional AGEOD fix-one-thing-break-two-others patch process.

AGEOD's fan base is dwindling to a small group of hard-core apologists who will overlook even the most glaring faults so long as the game is pretty and depicts an era they like. (I'm guilty of that myself at times.) But we do AGEOD no favors in the long run by not holding them to a higher standard. New players aren't so forgiving - which is why AGEOD has fewer and fewer of them.

[mikeCK]

I haven't had the crashes. I have seen units wander about which is a problem in every AGEOD game. That's why I find the engine better at wars without front lines. I love ACW2 but quit playing because Stonewall Jackson kept going for Pittsburg with 3 brigades.

That said...it's not very many units at all and it's been pretty stable for me. I am, however, an AGEOD apologist and defend the games when I can. Fully admit it. BUT, no one has to cut anyone any slack. Queeg paid money for a completed game that simulates napoleonic warfare. He shouldn't have to accept a game that won't run properly on some systems. This is an old engine so there really isn't any excuse for that.

Like I said though, that's assuming these problems are widespread. I've not encounters them and will continue to buy every AGEOD game they put out like a brain dead AGEOD sycophant

[atheory]

There does seem to be a segment of the player base that experience CTDs from their engine. I am an avid fan of their games, but I experience the CTD in every one of their games I purchase, which is all of them over the years.

The last time I sought help from their support was with CW2 and after 3 weeks of back and forth they could not resolve my issues. I've done every trick I've seen on the forums and repeated them through windows 7 , 8, 8.1 and now 10. I assume it's corrupt file issue during turn processing, but I can't fix it.

Sometimes I can play a whole year without a CTD, sometimes I go 2 turns. I get frustrated, but I fight through it as I best I can. My patience is tested, but the lack of solid strategy games that I enjoy is limited.

I'm due for a fresh install even though Windows 10 is barely two months old on my machine and I am going the ubuntu route. I'm hoping a fresh new SSD install and a new OS might just help solve my problems with this engine.

All I can say, I am jealous of all you that don't experience the constant CTD.

cross your fingers and keep me in your prayers, hopefully my changes will work.

[Emx77]

ORIGINAL: GrauWolf80

There does seem to be a segment of the player base that experience CTDs from their engine. I am an avid fan of their games, but I experience the CTD in every one of their games I purchase, which is all of them over the years.

The last time I sought help from their support was with CW2 and after 3 weeks of back and forth they could not resolve my issues. I've done every trick I've seen on the forums and repeated them through windows 7 , 8, 8.1 and now 10. I assume it's corrupt file issue during turn processing, but I can't fix it.

Sometimes I can play a whole year without a CTD, sometimes I go 2 turns. I get frustrated, but I fight through it as I best I can. My patience is tested, but the lack of solid strategy games that I enjoy is limited.

I'm due for a fresh install even though Windows 10 is barely two months old on my machine and I am going the ubuntu route. I'm hoping a fresh new SSD install and a new OS might just help solve my problems with this engine.

All I can say, I am jealous of all you that don't experience the constant CTD.

cross your fingers and keep me in your prayers, hopefully my changes will work.

Exactly my experience with Ageod games. However, I already have SSD and although that improved loading times considerably, it didn't help with occasional crashes.

[Jacekim]

Totally agree!

The bugs are plenty[:@]

[loki100]

ORIGINAL: Jacekim

Totally agree!

The bugs are plenty[:@]

can I suggest report them either here or on the AGEOD forum - that way people can help you out?

[zakblood]

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latest beta patch for those that wish to give it a go

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Queeg

ORIGINAL: zakblood

tbh i think the developers should be given some slack,

I've been cutting these guys slack for years. Yes, they are a small developer, etc. And no one expects perfection.

But it is fair to ask that they at least learn from their previous mistakes. There's really no excuse for the CTDs in this game - the game system is at least five years old! Units that wander aimlessly all over the map. Events that don't fire. Every game they release seems like they've never made one before. And I'm sure we'll still have to go through the traditional AGEOD fix-one-thing-break-two-others patch process.

AGEOD's fan base is dwindling to a small group of hard-core apologists who will overlook even the most glaring faults so long as the game is pretty and depicts an era they like. (I'm guilty of that myself at times.) But we do AGEOD no favors in the long run by not holding them to a higher standard. New players aren't so forgiving - which is why AGEOD has fewer and fewer of them.

There's also no excuse after centuries of printing books for duplicate pages, pages inserted backwards, missing paragraphs, pages printed so light that you can't read them, uncut pages, should I go on?

And yet, I still buy them.

And do you have data, verifiable data, that their fan base is dwindling?

[Queeg]

ORIGINAL: Aurelian

There's also no excuse after centuries of printing books for duplicate pages, pages inserted backwards, missing paragraphs, pages printed so light that you can't read them, uncut pages, should I go on?

Seriously? I can't recall the last time I bought a book with those sorts of problems. Perhaps you should change book shops?

And yet, I still buy them.

Your choice, of course. I continue to buy AGEOD games, too, including this one, even though I know it will be weeks, if not months, before I can actually play it in a meaningful way. I buy their games to support them, in the hope that someday they'll get their act together and start treating this like a business instead of some sort of paid hobby.

But it is tiresome to see them keep making the same mistakes over and over again. Worse, instead of addressing the fundamental problems with their game engine, they seem more intent on burdening it with even more new features that it can't possibly handle.

Yes, their games look great and cover eras we all want to see, and they're little guys and they try really hard - I know the mantra - I've preached it myself many times in the past. But at some point, your "vision" has to include making games that work, not just games that sound great in theory. That's not happening with these guys. Sadly.

And do you have data, verifiable data, that their fan base is dwindling?

No more than you have data, verifiable data, that there's a growing horde of new AGEOD fans out there, happily playing away and cheerfully ignoring CTDs, multi-minute turn times, aimlessly wandering units, events that don't fire, disappearing corps and ridiculous combat results. Maybe they're out there. But I doubt it.

What I have is my eyes. I can see the decline in forum traffic, both here and over on the AGEOD board. Compare this release to TEAW. The number of folks posting about WoN - which should be their flagship game - is a fraction of that from previous games. And the ones left posting are basically the same Old Guard, who seem to buy whatever AGEOD releases.

I could be wrong, of course. But I am certain that if we truly like the folks at AGEOD and want to see their games succeed, then the worst thing we can do for them is to blindly applaud them and encourage business as usual. Their games are getting worse, not better, in terms of technical performance. And pretending otherwise won't fix anything.

[Emx77]

I completely agree with Queeg. This is the first Ageod's game I didn't buy instantly. After reading about so many (non)playable factions, and having in mind previous experience, I assumed it would be plagued by different sort of bugs, obscure mechanics and poor manual which heavily borrows from previous titles. Judging by forum comments, by resisting initial urge to buy, I made right decision.

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: Queeg


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And do you have data, verifiable data, that their fan base is dwindling?

No more than you have data, verifiable data, that there's a growing horde of new AGEOD fans out there, happily playing away and cheerfully ignoring CTDs, multi-minute turn times, aimlessly wandering units, events that don't fire, disappearing corps and ridiculous combat results. Maybe they're out there. But I doubt it.

The problem with that is that I haven't made *any* claim that their fan base is either growing, static, or declining.

Having made none, there is no need for me to offer any evidence that backs it.

Never make claims that you can't prove. It puts one's entire argument under a microscope that one doesn't want.


As for changing bookshops? Really?

Can you name the bookshop that prints and assembles the books they sell? Never, ever, in decades have I seen a bookseller that makes the books it sells.

I really want another 1898 edition of Moltke's Franco-German War. Can you tell me who makes one with all the pages cut?

How about Vol 23 of the Richard Bolitho series? It has two page 108 and no page 109. What bookshop sells it?

Vol 12 of the same series is missing one paragraph of dialog while repeating another.

What bookshop sells the version that doesn't?

[zakblood]

has anyone in this thread with a gaming issue tried the new beta build and seen if it worked for them?

as without feedback on if yes it works or no it doesn't, how can a beta release become a full released version?

it's not those that don't have issues that need to test it, it's those that do have issues, but is open to everyone, as it's a patch not just a bug fix

[Aurelian]

ORIGINAL: zakblood

has anyone in this thread with a gaming issue tried the new beta build and seen if it worked for them?

as without feedback on if yes it works or no it doesn't, how can a beta release become a full released version?

it's not those that don't have issues that need to test it, it's those that do have issues, but is open to everyone, as it's a patch not just a bug fix

Haven't noticed wandering units, but the Purchase War Supply decree is missing the picture, and can't be picked.

The reform Assault Column is mislabeled from what I've seen, (hasn't come up for me as an option yet)