East Ohio River

[Viking67]

Why does the East Ohio River not have Blue dots, when the Union controls/owns it?

[Sonny]

I've been wondering that myself. Guess it is just a graphics thing.

[General Lee]

I don't know for sure either, but I noticed that as I made my offensive into ohio from W. Virginia, that was he first city I took, and when i gained control of it, i was able to build in it, even though I hadn't taken columbus yet. my memory is fuzzy though, perhaps someone can try it? see what happens.

[Twotribes]

Wheeling is IN West Virginia, which means Virginia in the game. The Union should not be able to build in it if I read the rules right, BUT I already posted that in fact the Union can build there, all you need to do is go to the city screen, it allows it there but not on the map screen.

[Hard Sarge]

you can build in a City you take from the enemy, you can not build troops from a City you take, unless you control the state

[Hard Sarge]

which at times, there may be a delay in getting the report that the city has been captured

[Twotribes]

I can not muster or conscript BUT I can buy troops in Wheeling, is that correct?

[Hard Sarge]

no, you should not be able to buy troops in a City that is owned by the other side (the other side still have the cap for that state)

(Ie if you own Columbus Ohio and then take Cinci, you could build troops in Cinci, but if you did it the other way around, you would not be able to)

you shouldn't be allowed to open the screen, to select a unit to build

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

no, you should not be able to buy troops in a City that is owned by the other side (the other side still have the cap for that state)

(Ie if you own Columbus Ohio and then take Cinci, you could build troops in Cinci, but if you did it the other way around, you would not be able to)

you shouldn't be allowed to open the screen, to select a unit to build

You can't raise troops in West Virginia until you capture Richmond? That makes no sense.

[Twinkle]

You can't raise troops in West Virginia until you capture Richmond? That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense that you have to hold the state capital before you can find men who support your “the enemy” cause. Very few regiments were recruited for the Union in the southern states... e.g. 1 independent infantry company in Virginia, 2 companies in Georgia, 2 infantry regiment in Florida, and so on... The only recruiting that would result in a whole game brigade was done in North Carolina and Louisiana, but it was really more like men leaving their states for the Union.

Fact is that it makes little sense to allow recruiting in enemy states, and if this is allowed in the game (I never tried this as I only play pbem) PLEASE remove it now...

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: Twinkle

You can't raise troops in West Virginia until you capture Richmond? That makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense that you have to hold the state capital before you can find men who support your “the enemy” cause. Very few regiments were recruited for the Union in the southern states... e.g. 1 independent infantry company in Virginia, 2 companies in Georgia, 2 infantry regiment in Florida, and so on... The only recruiting that would result in a whole game brigade was done in North Carolina and Louisiana, but it was really more like men leaving their states for the Union.

Fact is that it makes little sense to allow recruiting in enemy states, and if this is allowed in the game (I never tried this as I only play pbem) PLEASE remove it now...

West Virginia wasn't an enemy state. They formed a government in June 1861 and officially became a state in june 1863. At least 25,000 West Virginians fought in the Union army.

[Twinkle]

[font="times new roman"]Do we have West Virginia as a Union state in the game? My games are just now going into 1863...[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]West Virgina... 32068 men, forming 7 cav regiments, 2 cav companies, 8 art batteries, 17 inf regiments, 2 inf companies[/font]

[christof139]

Texas had 2 Union Cav. regiments under Gov. Jeff Davis, but I think they were later consolidated into 1 regiment, and one was very understrength. There were quite a few Arkansas and Tennessee Regiments and other units formed for the Union. The only State that didn't form a white unit for the Union was South Carolina, but there was plenty of Union activity in the western mountains of SC. There was one county in Mississippi where Confed. recruiters and conscriptors were afraid to go, and several Texas counties were pro Union, and those had high German immigrant populations.
 
Versions of the game exist with WV as Union or Confed at the start. I prefer Union, maybe not, I don't know. How does this affect play??
 
Chris
 

[christof139]

Union and Confederacy both should maybe be allowed to raise troops in WV and both without owning the State capital and both simultaneously in any province they fully control, and that would solve the problem and be historical.
 
Make a special rule/set-up for WV.
 
Chris
 

[Twotribes]

The Union CAN raise troops in Wheeling. I have done it more than once in my game.

What is confusing is it will also allow you to click the muster and or conscript buttons BUT when the turn runs it tells you your not allowed that action because you dont control the State. This only happens in the city screen, if you click on the function in the map screen it tells you you cant do it.

[General Quarters]

It makes perfect sense that you have to hold the state capital before you can find men who support your “the enemy” cause. Very few regiments were recruited for the Union in the southern states... e.g. 1 independent infantry company in Virginia, 2 companies in Georgia, 2 infantry regiment in Florida, and so on... The only recruiting that would result in a whole game brigade was done in North Carolina and Louisiana, but it was really more like men leaving their states for the Union.

ACW board games often gave you a free militia unit in the state capital the first time the enemy entered a particular state. I always liked that. It was helpful to the sometimes surprised defender and it seemed historically realistic and people would rally around the home state flag.

It would also add flavor and perhaps historical accuracy if the Union got a west virginia unit once it conquered east ohio or another province or two. West Virginia experts would have to say what should be controlled that would simulate the new state of W.V.

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: General Quarters

It makes perfect sense that you have to hold the state capital before you can find men who support your “the enemy” cause. Very few regiments were recruited for the Union in the southern states... e.g. 1 independent infantry company in Virginia, 2 companies in Georgia, 2 infantry regiment in Florida, and so on... The only recruiting that would result in a whole game brigade was done in North Carolina and Louisiana, but it was really more like men leaving their states for the Union.

ACW board games often gave you a free militia unit in the state capital the first time the enemy entered a particular state. I always liked that. It was helpful to the sometimes surprised defender and it seemed historically realistic and people would rally around the home state flag.

It would also add flavor and perhaps historical accuracy if the Union got a west virginia unit once it conquered east ohio or another province or two. West Virginia experts would have to say what should be controlled that would simulate the new state of W.V.

The confederacy never had much control over what became West Virginia. Most of it was in Union hands by the end of june 1861.

[Viking67]

Gil,

What is the story with the "East Ohio River"?

[christof139]

Confeds raised only 3, 4, or 5 Inf. regiments etc. from the West Virginia area. There is a nice website about this. And there were also some Confed guerillas.

KENAWHA should = KANAWHA, no ifs, ands and doubts about it. It is also pronounced Can-aw by those that live in the area, per my pople that still live in West Virginie. Yes, they speak with a pronounced drawl, and that drawl starts just south of Toledo, Ohio ya'll or yawl or y'all. No biggie but a mystery to me as the official name of both the division in Biurnside's IX Corps and the river is spelt Kanawha.

Now on to Bridget Bardot etc. and the Can-can.

Goodnight again, Chris [>:]

[regularbird]

I currently live in the Kanawha Valley and I assure you it is pronounced KA-NA-WHA.

I guess in some of the hollows it may be pronounced Kan-aw, or if spoken quickly.