West Virginia

[Twotribes]

Ok it is possible to add West Virginia to the game as a State.

There is a file called States in the main folder, it has a listing for West Virginia, it is just missing the x/y coordinates for ( I assume ) the name ( this though doesnt apper to work) and the provinces that belong to said State.

Provinces first..... The captial province would be the East Ohio River province with Wheeling in it, this is province 196 it goes where the last zero is on the lines for West Virginia. Then add the following provinces 84, 83, 255 and i assume 85? Dont forget to eliminate them from the Virginia lines above ( they appear twice in some cases.

You then need to ensure the line ends with an entry of zero ( when adding just add number then hit tab to add next number)

The State also lists who the Orginal owner is ( as i recall this is the number ( I think) right after the name of the State) Change that from a 2 to a 1. ( 2 is CSA, 1 is USA)

Once the USA controls Wheeling the State will be formed ( I assume it can form on turn 2 also under the CSA) I pesonally change the UNion controlled provinces to Union control ( except the city has to have a unit present to change sides to Union)

What is the draw back? The file you change is NOT Scenario file folder, it is main folder, thus if you make this change it will effect every scenario, including the early ones.

This will allow the US player to use Wheeling for recruitment and building if he controls wheeling and since it is a state capitol now if the CSA controls it, they can do the same. While the State wasnt officially formed in 1861, this appears to be the only way to give the ability to the Union to use Wheeling.

While there are ways around the restrictions on building and producing in Wheeling those are not the intended functions of the game and could be changed at any time.

[DrewGator]

Ok it is possible to add West Virginia to the game as a State.

I think this would be a great idea as well as historically accurate with one caveat. West Virginia did not become a state until 1863. After 1861 when Robert E. Lee and the Confederate troops under his command were driven out of the western counties of Virginia (there's a hill near my grandparent's home - imagine that, a hill in West Virginia [:D] - known as Traveller's Rest where legend has it Lee once tethered his horse) they seceded from the state and Congress ratified their constitution to create the state. As an aside, their main sources of income are coal, natural gas, and Senator Robert Byrd. [X(]

Enough history - now from a game perspective: I think it would be good to have an option where once the provices of West Virginia (Franklin, Grafton, Parkersburg, Kenawha, and the East Ohio River) are captured by the Union (and there's no unrest) then the State of WVa can be declared. Perhaps you could cause a delay beyond that by forcing the Union build a Capitol building in Wheeling. You could just use Wheeling as the capitol - it's not historical but there wasn't really anything of note in Charleston at the time anyway (is there anything there now - besides Walmart?).

[chris0827]

ORIGINAL: DrewGator

Ok it is possible to add West Virginia to the game as a State.

I think this would be a great idea as well as historically accurate with one caveat. West Virginia did not become a state until 1863. After 1861 when Robert E. Lee and the Confederate troops under his command were driven out of the western counties of Virginia (there's a hill near my grandparent's home - imagine that, a hill in West Virginia [:D] - known as Traveller's Rest where legend has it Lee once tethered his horse) they seceded from the state and Congress ratified their constitution to create the state. As an aside, their main sources of income are coal, natural gas, and Senator Robert Byrd. [X(]

Enough history - now from a game perspective: I think it would be good to have an option where once the provices of West Virginia (Franklin, Grafton, Parkersburg, Kenawha, and the East Ohio River) are captured by the Union (and there's no unrest) then the State of WVa can be declared. Perhaps you could cause a delay beyond that by forcing the Union build a Capitol building in Wheeling. You could just use Wheeling as the capitol - it's not historical but there wasn't really anything of note in Charleston at the time anyway (is there anything there now - besides Walmart?).

West Virginia was not officially a state until 1863 but they had broken away and formed a new government before FoF even begins. Most of it was already occupied by union forces and West Virginans were fighting in the union army. There's no reason not to have West Virginia as a union state in both the July and November scenarios.

The people in West Virgina need to rename that hill. Lee first saw Traveller in West Virginia but he was owned by another officer and not yet called by that name. Lee later bought the horse and named him Traveller when he was stationed in South Carolina.

[christof139]

Correct spelling of 'Kenawha' to 'Kanawha' first. 'Ka-naw or Ca-naw'  as pronounced.
 
Then do the rest as described in the pro-Union posts. About 5 or so Infantry regiments were actually recruited by the Confeds. in West VA areas, mostly numbered in the 30's I do believe. I had a good site saved on my old hard drive about this.
 
Chris 2
 
 
 

[Gil R.]

I'm pretty sure that "Kenawha" is a spelling variant. What I don't know is whether it was a variant used back in the 1860's. Does anyone know definitively what the spelling was back then?

Even if we did get this wrong it would be VERY difficult to change the map at this point (lots of man-hours redoing it, plus the map file is enormous and people with slow connections would have trouble downloading any patch containing it), but we at least might change the data files.

[christof139]

Nope. It is spelled 'Kanawha' and prounced 'Can-awe' or 'Ka-naw'. So says a person from West Virginia here on this forum and so says my cousin that lives not all that far from the Kanawha River Valley in West Virginie. The "C' and 'K' are somewhat soft, as is the 'aw'. Both 'a's' are short, not long.

There is not one OOB that I ever saw that lists the Kanawha Division of Burnside's IX Corps as the KEnewah Division. There was a discussion in a thread here about this awhile back.

Chris

[chris0827]

It's definately Kanawha. The official reports of both sides spell it that way as does the United States census.

[Twotribes]

Back to topic of how to mod the x , y thing is for the Governor ro appear on the overview map... a good starting number is,,,,

x.. 580

y.. 450

The 450 is a good number, still fine tuning the x though. 580 should be close. if it is still over the Penn Governor then go lower by 30 or so.

EDIT....

Somewhere between 560 and 570 is right for the Governor screen, 560 works but it touches the Ohio Governor Screen, doesnt block any info though.

[christof139]

It's definately Kanawha. The official reports of both sides spell it that way as does the United States census.

Yup. Chris 2

[ericbabe]

Let me weigh-in on this fun bit of pedantry!  "Kenawha" was the variant that the period map, produced in 1860, upon which the FOF map is based, had used.  I've found this spelling in period letters and journals -- the Richmond Enquirer refers to it with an 'e' during the War, Charleston's first newspaper was called the "Kenawha Spectator", Frederick Dyer in his "Compendium of the War of the Rebellion" written in the early 20th c. spells it "Kenawha", and a quick google yields a few hundred hits to period (and some contemporary) references that spell the county and river this way.  Though the 'a' was decidedly more prevalent, perhaps even more "official", I believe that we went with the 'e' because that's what the map that we based our map on had used (Mr Z named the provinces, so I can't exactly speak as to why he decided this way, but I dimly remember discussing the variant with him as he was naming the provinces).  As an aside, I've seen other variants, not at all commonly used: "Kenoway" is the one I remember, but I think it may have been in an 18th century source.

(Looking at the Google results... Curiously the US Census Bureau seems to use "Kenawha" in one of its contemporary references:  http://www.census.gov/rodet/www/aawvirg.html)

[christof139]

Let me weigh-in on this fun bit of pedantry! "Kenawha" was the variant that the period map, produced in 1860, upon which the FOF map is based, had used. I've found this spelling in period letters and journals -- the Richmond Enquirer refers to it with an 'e' during the War, Charleston's first newspaper was called the "Kenawha Spectator", Frederick Dyer in his "Compendium of the War of the Rebellion" written in the early 20th c. spells it "Kenawha", and a quick google yields a few hundred hits to period (and some contemporary) references that spell the county and river this way. Though the 'a' was decidedly more prevalent, perhaps even more "official", I believe that we went with the 'e' because that's what the map that we based our map on had used (Mr Z named the provinces, so I can't exactly speak as to why he decided this way, but I dimly remember discussing the variant with him as he was naming the provinces). As an aside, I've seen other variants, not at all commonly used: "Kenoway" is the one I remember, but I think it may have been in an 18th century source.

(Looking at the Google results... Curiously the US Census Bureau seems to use "Kenawha" in one of its contemporary references: http://www.census.gov/rodet/www/aawvirg.html)

I can believe that, and realize differences in spelling occur, even during those actual times. however, the correct spelling is 'Kanawha', and the local pronunciation is 'Kah-naw or Cah-naw'. Most spelling of the period and today use 'Kanawha'.

'Kenewha' was invented by Easterners, New Englanders, maybe some Sotherners, and perhaps 'Kantuckians' or 'Kentuckians', and other ill-informed people.[X(][8|]

'Kenawha' is indeed very funny. [8|]

Dziekuje, Chris

[ericbabe]

(For whatever it's worth, I do have to say though that I feel OK about being as incorrect as hundreds of period sources and at least one page of the contemporary US Census Bureau.  [:)])

[Gil R.]

Or to put it another way, we're giving the game more period flavor than it would otherwise have.

But the amount of work that would go into changing the spelling on the main map would be enormous, and distributing the changed map file would create problems for many people, so Kenawha stays.

Those who want to can at least modify the relevant text file(s) so that the spelling is changed in all non-map text.

[christof139]

For whatever it's worth, I do have to say though that I feel OK about being as incorrect as hundreds of period sources and at least one page of the contemporary US Census Bureau. )

Yeah, you're right. I am just pulling-your-leg, joshing, joking. [:D]

I've seen that map you're speaking of, and other info. using 'Kenewha', but most info. spells it 'Kanawha', and that is how many West Virginians spell it and pronounce it as 'Cah-nawe', and why they say 'Cah-nawe I'll never know, but that is how my 'cuzzins'etc. from down there prounounce it, it is all just dialect.

I have also seen 'Kentcuky' spelt 'Kantuckey' and 'Kantucky' etc.

Same as trying to decide to call someone from Michigan a 'Michigander' or 'Michiganian'. Our State Legislature also voted as this important [8|] issue. I think 'Michigander' may have won, but now it is officially 'Michiganian' I think, so the Legislature must have wasted more time and $$ and voted on this most important issue again. [X(][8|]

Figures.

You can tell I like politicians. [8|]

Chris

[ericbabe]

Oh I agree, Kanawha is definitely more official and much more commonly used.

ORIGINAL: christof139
Same as trying to decide to call someone from Michigan a 'Michigander' or 'Michiganian'. Our State Legislature also voted as this important [8|] issue. I think 'Michigander' may have won, but now it is officially 'Michiganian' I think, so the Legislature must have wasted more time and $$ and voted on this most important issue again. [X(][8|]

Now you're getting *me* all riled up. I'm a Michigander inside and outside!

I can top this stupidity though: did you know that Michigan has an official "pledge to the Michigan state flag"? and it goes like this:

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of Michigan, and to the state for which it stands, 2 (sic!) beautiful peninsulas united by a bridge of steel, where equal opportunity and justice to all is our ideal."

This was enacted by Public Act 165 of 1972. We have a NURSERY RHYME as the official pledge to the state flag.

[christof139]

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of Michigan, and to the state for which it stands, 2 (sic!) beautiful peninsulas united by a bridge of steel, where equal opportunity and justice to all is our ideal."

This was enacted by Public Act 165 of 1972. We have a NURSERY RHYME as the official pledge to the state flag.

Nope, never heard that pledge before. i was overseas in 1972, not in school, so I wasn't aware of that. It is a bit ridiculous though.

Public Acts, Statutes, Fedreal and Stae level, I used to help enforce some in the environmental field for the State. The DEQ, Dept. of Environmental Quacks, errr I mean Quality. The DEQ was once the Environmentla Protection Bureau of the DNR, and the DNR was extremely happy when we were broken away from them and made into our own seperate Dept. of E-Quackery. The only State agency that is real good and professional is the State Police, usually, 90% or more of of the time. Too much bureauacrcy at Local, State and Federal levels in many things all over the world.

I thought you were originally from Ukrania for some reason.

Been an easy Winter so far, and I wish the last 2-weeks were like the 2-weeks before them. I was getting spoiled with how warm it was. Glad i don't live on the Tug Plateua in Upstate NY wher they had 12-feet of snow, just like the Keewanaw Penninsula in our UP. Unbelieveable. Hmmmm??, or is it Keewhanawha!!! [8|][X(]

Chris [>:][>:][>:][>:]h

[ericbabe]

My ancestors were Ukrainian -- came over around 1930.&nbsp; Last name was originally <Babich>.

Mercifully we didn't have to say this pledge in school!

[christof139]

My ancestors were Ukrainian -- came over around 1930. Last name was originally <Babich>.

Mercifully we didn't have to say this pledge in school!

'Babich', similar to the Lithuanian character in Sienkiewicz' 'The Deluge' of his trilogy, although there are actually 4-books, and the 4th is 'On the Field(s) of Glory' and deals with the 1683 Vienna Campaign of Sobieski and the Allies against the Ottomans and friends.

The Polish sides of my family came over in the lte 1800's to very early 1900's. Don't know exactly when my granmother's people arrived, maybe the 1870's, I don't know, but my granfather's dad came over about 1900.

Where in Ukrania/Ruthenia did you people come from, if you don't mind be asking??

Interesting stuff.

Chris

[christof139]

'Babich', similar to the Lithuanian character in Sienkiewicz' 'The Deluge' of his trilogy, although there are actually 4-books, and the 4th is 'On the Field(s) of Glory' and deals with the 1683 Vienna Campaign of Sobieski and the Allies against the Ottomans and friends.

The Polish sides of my family came over in the lte 1800's to very early 1900's. Don't know exactly when my granmother's people arrived, maybe the 1870's, I don't know, but my granfather's dad came over about 1900.

Where in Ukrania/Ruthenia did you people come from, if you don't mind be asking??

Interesting stuff.

Chris

Yes, Chris, and that would be a good game to make, a game concerning the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth from about the 1389 Battle of Grunwald times to the mid 1700's. Very interesting and exciting period. (Hint.)

Oops. I'm replying to myself with these ideas. Oh-oh. [X(][8|]

Chris [>:][>:][>:]

[Twotribes]

A reminder of how to add West Virginia to the game.