General Billy vs Bwheatley (Ended)

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 5:28 pm

At least 6000 or 7000 units, but im using a combination of DD's, CA' CL and even BB to fast transport. Im using very low aggressive leaders so they will try to avoid a fight with the enemy. Problem with fast transport, im getting alot of system damaged most ships are between 8 or 9 already.

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 6:11 pm

[center]Whats at Camranh Bay[/center]

Possible units that will go and liberate PI

chestypuller · Post by **chestypuller** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 8:12 pm

Think longer term. No need to rush into this now. You have 4 years there is no autovictory. Those are some worthless units the jap divisions are 250-380 AP and you will need way more then you have now to dismount the japs.

Also if he was me i'd keep a weak outer permeter at PI and keep clark and manilla loaded to respond to any attacks. So just bid your time are you really in a hurry?
Remember you have the advantage you will only get stronger as he gets weaker. Be cautious and be slow. He's going to think you will attack soon and that way he can crush your units piecemeal. You can harass with your navy but keep the troops prepping for manilla and in 6 months launch. Give him time to get overconfident and take a chance.

I just dont want you to blow this one.

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Mon Jan 09, 2006 9:14 pm

Chestypuller,
You're right there aint any rush, and I should by right think long term. I was just thinking of rushing into Manila, with all those guys, it just gives me greater chance of holding onto it. Most of the units are prep for Manila and they already around 50's already. The chances of me stopping his troops will be small. Because he has so much there.

Anyway I guess I can put these units on standby when the odds dont look good in Manila I can start sending them slowly by slowly. Anyway India and malaya is pretty boneless in terms of defense.

What I need to do is split his forces up. If I attack north of PI, say Lingayen or San Atros I can make him reduce the pressure in Manila and he divert forces to clark field or engage me where he is. However I dont have much of a navy to stop him blockading me when his navy comes.

Regarding Davao well it seems to be a safe place to take so he can divert his forces, perhaps I can take out some of his transport ships out when he tries to recapture it. But I just dont want to lose Manila. Im going to hold it at all cost now. Its a morale issue on me[:D]

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 8:32 am

Dutch subs are useless

Dutch subs are firing torps, but all they torps aint working.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/10/22

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Sub attack at 42,50

Japanese Ships
MSW Ashikazi Maru

Allied Ships
SS K-V

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 174356 troops, 812 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61014 troops, 346 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
440 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 174356 troops, 812 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61014 troops, 346 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
440 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43573 troops, 338 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 208643 troops, 813 guns, 58 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
146 casualties reported

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Tue Jan 10, 2006 7:02 pm

Japs only bombarding nowadays
Japanese had enough of deliberate attacking and just resort to bombarding.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/11/22

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 176410 troops, 831 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61658 troops, 360 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
344 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44154 troops, 344 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 211089 troops, 832 guns, 62 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:35 am

Japanese deliberate attack again

US and British forces hold.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/12/22

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 200173 troops, 845 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 62057 troops, 372 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
5599 casualties reported
Guns lost 60

Allied ground losses:
1067 casualties reported
Guns lost 28

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43645 troops, 324 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 205426 troops, 755 guns, 62 vehicles

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 1:14 pm

Loss ratio is in your favor - but question is - if he can bring his BtlFlt to the area and you have nothing to contest the seas - can he thus gain sea superiority - to permit his own reinforcement and deny yours ?

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 5:41 pm

Japanese tries to break US

Casualties are bad, nearly 1 to 6

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/13/22

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 196170 troops, 778 guns, 61 vehicles

Defending force 61246 troops, 340 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
6951 casualties reported
Guns lost 51

Allied ground losses:
1215 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43650 troops, 316 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 199401 troops, 696 guns, 61 vehicles

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:03 pm

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Loss ratio is in your favor - but question is - if he can bring his BtlFlt to the area and you have nothing to contest the seas - can he thus gain sea superiority - to permit his own reinforcement and deny yours ?

At the moment I am holding out on Manila well. [:D] How long is the question.

About his fleet well . I estimate his got only 30 % of his combat fleet remaining. BillWheatly lost alot of ships at Pearl. So the Brits should be able to match them when the times comes. Im going to try to retreat from every fight until all my full fleet arrives.
Fast transporting is starting to be a problem now. He has mined and position a number of coastal guns in the Bataan Hex. If I bring in Mine sweepers, they may be blown to bits. Im sending in another fast transport this round so hopefully they can arrive safely and avoid current surface threats around Manila.

jwilkerson · Post by **jwilkerson** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 6:22 pm

DDs have some minesweeping ability in the game ... actually by the end of WWI most warships were equiped with paravane or equivalent devices ... though it is hard to imagine anyone sending in some dreadnoughts to sweep mines !!! ... but anyway ... you will lose some DDs but they are not helpless against mines ... the coastal guns however, may take a toll.
I haven't tried submarine supply transport in WPO .. but in WITP it certainly works to some extent ( brings in a trickle anyway ).
If your supply is dwindling for the moment, that is not necessarily disaster ... as long as you have a decent amount to hang on. Then you must hope and plan to bring in a larger amount when you have the necessary forces.

But sounds like a cliffhanger ... we're watching on the edges of our chairs !

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 7:27 pm

@jwilkerson

You right DD's do clean up mines pretty well.

An ASW attack gives position away

Japs knows that an taskforce is on its way to Manila

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/14/22

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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33, hits 3

Allied Ships
DD Swordsman
DD Success
DD Stalwart
DD Tarpon

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44091 troops, 327 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 202118 troops, 712 guns, 61 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
171 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:14 pm

Fast transport takes out subs on route to Manila

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/15/22

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Sub attack at 42,50

Japanese Ships
SS No. 27, hits 7, on fire

Allied Ships
CL Yarmouth
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Hopkins
DD Barry

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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Hopkins
DD Barry
DD Reuben James
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope
DD Stewart
DD John D. Edwards
DD Borie
DD Long
DD Hovey
DD Chandler
DD Dorsey

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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel

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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Hopkins

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Day Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Avro 504K x 3

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Avro 504K bombing at 7000 feet
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Day Air attack on 17th Indian Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Avro 504K x 3

No Japanese losses

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x Avro 504K bombing at 7000 feet
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ASW attack at 41,51

Japanese Ships
SS No. 33

Allied Ships
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Hopkins
DD Barry
DD Reuben James
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope
DD Stewart
DD John D. Edwards
DD Borie
DD Long
DD Hovey
DD Chandler
DD Dorsey

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 170402 troops, 725 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61070 troops, 358 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
420 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44376 troops, 335 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 205201 troops, 726 guns, 61 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
54 casualties reported

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:16 pm

[center]How it looks[/center]

chestypuller · Post by **chestypuller** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:23 pm

So are you still going to go in with 7 Cruisers waiting for you or are you going to wait until they clear the area? They can't sit their forever. It takes alot of fuel to just loiter. And as we saw one goof by a captain and the guns at manilla will paste them.

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:45 pm

His moved his CA out this turn coming heading north east now. I have a feeling Bill is trying to trick me and will come again this turn round. But im still going in anycase. Im trusting my captains to go in, drop off the supplies and get the hell out of there.

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 8:47 pm

Flak hits Jap bombers at Manila

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/16/22

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Day Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Avro 504K x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Avro 504K: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x Avro 504K bombing at 1000 feet
1 x Avro 504K bombing at 1000 feet

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 172845 troops, 743 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61157 troops, 358 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
665 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44627 troops, 342 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 208001 troops, 744 guns, 61 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported

[center]Jap bombers going in[/center]

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:44 pm

First fast transport mission goes well

Allied ships managed to drop off 6000 units of supplies. A number of mines were also cleared. No sign of the Japanese fleet.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/17/22

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TF 1001 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
MSW Bittern
MSW Avocet
MSW Heron
MSW Finch

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TF 1003 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51)

Allied Ships
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Stewart
DD John D. Edwards
DD Hovey
DD Hopkins, Mine hits 1

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TF 1009 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
DD Swordsman
DD Success
DD Sybille
DD Rival
DD Ready
DD Rapid
DD Swan

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ASW attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Swordsman
DD Success
DD Stalwart
DD Tarpon
DD Raider
DD Radstock
DD Tyrant
DD Sybille
DD Sabrina
DD Rival
DD Relentless
DD Ready
DD Rapid
DD Yarra
DD Warrego
DD Swan
DD Parramatta
DD Hulbert

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TF 1001 encounters mine field at Manila (43,52)

Allied Ships
MSW Bittern
MSW Avocet
MSW Heron
MSW Finch

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TF 1011 encounters mine field at Bataan (42,51)

Allied Ships
DD Hopkins

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Day Air attack on 14th Indian Division, at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
Avro 504K x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Avro 504K: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Avro 504K bombing at 3000 feet

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 175167 troops, 769 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 61171 troops, 362 guns, 0 vehicles

Allied ground losses:
675 casualties reported
Guns lost 12

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 44886 troops, 340 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 210808 troops, 770 guns, 62 vehicles

Japanese ground losses:
117 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

general billy · Post by **general billy** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 10:20 pm

Second fast transport missions goes bad

Allies suffer 2 ships sunk, and 5 scuttled. 4 heavy damaged with heavy flooding from Japanese Coastal guns at Bataan.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 09/18/22

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Sub attack near Manila at 43,52

Japanese Ships
SS No. 58

Allied Ships
DD Hovey, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Truant
DD Trojan
DD Trinidad
DD Tribune
DD Tintagel
DD Tattoo
DD Zane
DD Barry
DD Reuben James
DD Truxton
DD John D. Ford
DD Pillsbury
DD Pope
DD Stewart
DD John D. Edwards
DD Borie
DD Long
DD Chandler
DD Dorsey

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Sub attack near Bataan at 42,51

Japanese Ships
AP Ginyo Maru, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS K-V

Japanese ground losses:
109 casualties reported
Guns lost 3

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Naval Gun Fire at Bataan (42,51) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

401 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
AP Ginyo Maru, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Truant, Shell hits 36, on fire, heavy damage
DD Trojan, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
DD Trinidad, Shell hits 12, on fire, heavy damage
DD Tintagel
DD Barry, Shell hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
DD Reuben James, Shell hits 24, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pillsbury, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
DD Pope, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
DD Stewart, Shell hits 6, on fire, heavy damage
DD John D. Edwards, Shell hits 11, on fire, heavy damage
DD Borie, Shell hits 14, on fire, heavy damage
DD Long, Shell hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Chandler, Shell hits 11, on fire
CL Yarmouth, Shell hits 6
CL Dartmouth, Shell hits 11
BC Australia, Shell hits 11

Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Guns lost 6

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Ground combat at Manila

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 202714 troops, 782 guns, 62 vehicles

Defending force 61192 troops, 360 guns, 0 vehicles

Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese ground losses:
6883 casualties reported
Guns lost 73

Allied ground losses:
1912 casualties reported
Guns lost 52

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Ground combat at Manila

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 43935 troops, 297 guns, 0 vehicles

Defending force 204283 troops, 688 guns, 62 vehicles

[center]Japanese coastal guns damage allied DD's badly[/center]

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chestypuller · Post by **chestypuller** » Wed Jan 11, 2006 11:09 pm

Ouch WTF happened there? Did his Coastal guns finally start to hit? Maybe they just got a 1 time lucky shot at your ships?

Is that going to close the door to manilla or are you going to send in another ship to see if it was a one time fluke?

General Billy vs Bwheatley (Ended)

RE: Replacements Used so far

Planning is still going ahead.

RE: Planning is still going ahead.

RE: Planning is still going ahead.

Dutch subs are useless

Japs only bombard.

Japanese deliberate attack again

RE: Japanese deliberate attack again

Japanese tries to break US

RE: Japanese deliberate attack again

RE: Japanese deliberate attack again

An ASW attack gives position away

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How it looks

RE: How it looks

RE: How it looks

Flak hits Jap bombers

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