Price

[DBeves]

ORIGINAL: Chris Merchant

if you dont like the subject of the thread - dont F****** read it - and certainly dont post in it.

eh? Disagree with this bit entirely. That's what a forum is for - sharing points of view.

Rationally of course, and without resorting to swearing [:)]


cheers

Read what I said - I have no problem with people discussing it .. what I find tiresome is people complaining about the actual existence of the discussion and then posting in the discussion.

Swearing is as much a part of the english language as any other word - given the right circumstances - also a very effective means of emphasising a point. So I dont apoligise for my asterisks. I am not at kindergarten any more.

[e_barkmann]

seemed to me you were summarising your points above with your 'simple fact is' statement, which is how I took it.

I am pleased you have arrived at your interpretation of the usage of the English language. Bully for you!

Cheers Chris

[DBeves]

ORIGINAL: Chris Merchant

seemed to me you were summarising your points above with your 'simple fact is' statement, which is how I took it.

I am pleased you have arrived at your interpretation of the usage of the English language. Bully for you!

Cheers Chris

Well - you took it correctly - the simple fact is - if you think the discussion pointless - why discuss it.

Not my interpretation - the Oxford English Dictionary.

[Hexagon]

Well, i only post because are many "richmen" that call "whiners" who dont buy AtD2 by price... well, you can read all the posts and see that nobody call you "buyer without criterion" or "NGO of wargames", i dont buy AtD2 because for me dont cost 30 euros and dont call all buyers "band of *Lack of respect word*" respect is a good word but many people dont know it and they are over 40 years old (age isnt a cure for lack of education) [:-]

*Mode Ironic On* i have an idea, for whiners matrix can have a special price and for richmen other double or triple price or better, can open a phone for "save wargames!!!" [:D] *Mode Ironic Off*

PD: Niche... like AGEOD games??? or Slitherine FoG??? or Distant worlds??? they are in the niche but have better prices and more content [;)]

[DBeves]

*Mode Ironic On* i have an idea, for whiners matrix can have a special price and for richmen other double or triple price or better, can open a phone for "save wargames!!!" *Mode Ironic Off*

Ha ... excellent idea - then all us "whiners" can get the game we want and all those altruistic dont care how much it costs accusers can support SSG to their hearts content.

Id like to see if their principals hold up at say a 90$ mark if thats all they care about - or is the principle only as deep as someones wallet.

Interesting ...

[Tzar007]

ORIGINAL: DBeves

Id like to see if their principals hold up at say a 90$ mark if thats all they care about - or is the principle only as deep as someones wallet.

Interesting ...

Mark my words: at 90$, I would still buy it. I guess I should not let it known to Matrix though, it might give them ideas [;)]

Don't make a mistake about it, I am a penny pincher in a lot of other aspects of life, but for wargaming I make an exception: I love this hobby and as long as the product is top notch and high quality, I will gladly pay. It supports the hobby and the serious wargaming developers behind it.

Here's an idea to Matrix that might help convince the price "skeptics" (won't use the "whiner" attribute anymore, I understand it's not nice [;)]): Matrix should think about implementing some kind of discount for big buyers or "repeat customers". When I look at my registered games, I think I have bought quite a few Matrix Games over the last 4 years. It would be nice if Matrix would recognize my effort at supporting them by giving me some kind of discount if my yearly purchases go over a specified amount. Rewarding your loyal and heavy buyers is a common business practice. Odd customers who buy one game every 3 years aren't the ones making this industry survives and don't deserve any special rebate, price skepticism or not. Big buyers do. If Matrix would do something about this, it would sweeten the deal and build loyalty.

[Duck Doc]

We have a saying in our language: "Put your money where your mouth is."

I did. Just letting you know.

I am not disappointed at all. I got more than my money's worth.

ORIGINAL: Hexagon

For me AtD2 is a scenario same as Kharkov, if i pay for Kharkov is because SSG works in an expansion called AtD2, i see Kharkov as an expansive investiment and AtD2 as a "cheap" add-on to Kharkov my disgusting with AtD2 price is that the original AtD dont cost 30 euros and both are called expansions... this is my point of view.

If we talk about relation between cost and diversion i have FULL games cheaper than AtD2 and that provide me hours and hours of game time.

PD: opinions are like butts, everybody has one and all works in the same way [:D]

[Pete AU]

All these posts about the price are quite amusing. A few years ago when I was browsing thru the BMW sales room to motivate myself to change my financial position I recalled something I'd heard or read once, and it remains with me to this day. "It's not expensive, you just can't afford it".

[Nebogipfel]

This thread is interesting,

someone criticizes the price of a product (that is what every customer is allowed to do!)  and instead of playing their game all fanboys seem to post the whole day in this price thread.

So the question is, is the game so boring, that posting silly things is more exciting ?

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: Nebogipfel

This thread is interesting,

someone criticizes the price of a product (that is what every customer is allowed to do!)  and instead of playing their game all fanboys seem to post the whole day in this price thread.

So the question is, is the game so boring, that posting silly things is more exciting ?

Well, I can answer for myself, no one else. I don't have the game. Waiting till next month as I can't afford another purchase this month.

I'm no fanboy - unless liking a game engine makes me one. Originally I interjected simply to post that I (having "found the light" with Kharkov) did not think it was too expensive. In fact it wasn't that it wasn't expensive as clearly to some it will be - but more to the point I was trying to say that the game was worth the money, going by gaming hour per £.

I really have no interest in specifically whether one person buys it or not. Some people had a view that the game was too expensive. Others, who enjoy the engine and have played previous iterations, tried to point out that they thought it was value for money.

As for this bit

someone criticizes the price of a product (that is what every customer is allowed to do!)

I presume you are pointing out that others aren't allowed to post their views on the price, contrary to people thinking it's too expensive? The thread has already been through that. Perhaps you'd like to read from the start as opposed to jumping in and name calling anyone who sticks up for something fanboys.

Personally I can't wait to give them my £30 [:'(]

[JudgeDredd]

oh - and meant to say - the thread moved off being about the price long, long ago.

[Nebogipfel]

Did I say, that other views aren´t allowed? No I didn´t.

Did I say that I think the price is too high. No I didn´t.

Perhaps you read my post before supposing things ........

[JudgeDredd]

Well, we could post on and on verbatim, couldn't we.

You didn't say other views aren't allowed - by this comment

someone criticizes the price of a product (that is what every customer is allowed to do!) and instead of playing their game all fanboys seem to post the whole day in this price thread

you inferred it.

The upshot is your post (all 3 on this thread which you so amusingly called "interesting" then proceeded to call people with an alterative view to the game being too expensive "fanboys") is even more useless than the one I apologised for. At least I had some constructive advice before I turned infantile.

oh - and

Did I say that I think the price is too high. No I didn´t.

I didn't say you said the price was too high

[Nebogipfel]

You said, others then my view.........without knowing it.

I should have pointed out, that I don´t call everybody a fanboy, who is posting here different views.

I apologise for that too and for the "fanboy".

I followed the whole pointless.. .point talk (you apologised and it´s ok).

The last post with "its not too expencive, you can´t just afford it", is not the thing you say to grown up men. That´s what put me up.

I don´t think the price is too high, I have other complaints (other thread). But everyone thinking so should be given a chance to express that, without getting treated like a child.

At last I didn´t mean you Judge. I followed the thread from the beginning.

[JudgeDredd]

Well, I think the thread ran its "useful" course very early on....I have to admit to my involvement in making it useless and a "head banging" contest.

What I would say is this...everybody has a duty to let Matrix know they cannot afford a particular game. It is also the duty of people who are a fan of that engine to tell people what kind of value for money they are getting.

Having said that, I'll bow out now and will say that in future, I wil try and be less of an arse [:D]

[parusski]

Actually I thought the food at the new cafe was excellent. But we saw the movie "The Wolfman" and were bored silly. Just wanted to let my friends know I have not forgotten them or our previous discussions. It's important to stay on topic, beat a dead horse, always cry wolf......

[Ron]

I tend to agree with the "It's not expensive, you just can't afford it" statement myself and all that implies.

[TargAK]

ORIGINAL: Ron

I tend to agree with the "It's not expensive, you just can't afford it" statement myself and all that implies.

"keeping up with the Joneses" is another way to put that.

I prefer living below my means and investing and saving the rest. I would buy generic rather than name brand any day and statements like that above are extremely arrogant and condescending.

What many of you are ignoring is that most of us that had issue with the price bought the game.
Eric did a good job explaining what happened and I was satisfied with that.

Whats annoying is that some customers feel such a strong sense of ownership to SSG titles that they have told paying customers to go away if they voice concerns or make suggestions.

I would suggest that some of you are not doing SSG or Matrix any favors. If I was in a storefront and having a discussion with a store manager/owner and you butted in I would let you know in a very unfriendly manner to mind your own business.

95% of you would never butt in like this in the real world and the other 5% would be considered rude and foolish.

[Waffenamt]

I can afford it but I haven't bought it. and there were 2 things in the manual that royally p@^%*d me off - the aforementioned deal forATD owners on buying the add-on and the idea that this was scaleable to support Battlefront type scenarios and then we were told that it would only be 4km/hex. TBH I didn't get that warm glow with DotD, and shelved it within a few months. I only like to focus on a few wargames and I took a chance on this one but I can safely say it's been my least satisfying wargame purchase over the last 5 or more years. Granted, the add-on has again piqued my interest, but until I wade through the tutorial again I'm not allowed to venture to the Matrix store. Problem is - wading through the tutorial is just that! I may turn back before my feet get stuck too in the mud. Just my opinion ...

Regards

[JudgeDredd]

ORIGINAL: Nick Schieben

I can afford it but I haven't bought it. and there were 2 things in the manual that royally p@^%*d me off - the aforementioned deal forATD owners on buying the add-on and the idea that this was scaleable to support Battlefront type scenarios and then we were told that it would only be 4km/hex. TBH I didn't get that warm glow with DotD, and shelved it within a few months. I only like to focus on a few wargames and I took a chance on this one but I can safely say it's been my least satisfying wargame purchase over the last 5 or more years. Granted, the add-on has again piqued my interest, but until I wade through the tutorial again I'm not allowed to venture to the Matrix store. Problem is - wading through the tutorial is just that! I may turn back before my feet get stuck too in the mud. Just my opinion ...

Regards

I wish I had seen your post sonner. You could've gave an "alternative" view to a couple of people that asked me about Kharkov.

And Targ, I apologised for my initial posts and I think I've redeemed myself by putting a fairer argument forward. I'm not arrogant enough to think you were specifically aiming it at me, but I took the post to include me because I think I was the first person to suggest if people didn't like the game price, they should bugger off.

Whilst on your post, I agree most people (myself included) tend to forget that we wouldn't act in such a way in public and I often try to remind myself of that prior to posting...and sometimes I fail.

However, if I was to walk past you in a shop and heard you saying you wouldn't buy this game because of the price, I probably would interject and say "I wouldn't worry too much about the price - it's a great game that you'll get hours out of". I don't see that as rude.

On the other hand, if I was to walk past and hear the same comment and respond with "Well, if you don't like the price, then put it back", then I would consider that as rude also. Of course I would never do that - but I did here. [:-]