PC: Ostfront Vs CM: Normandy

[Firebri]

They are both going to be out very soon. What a good time for this type of game.

[Richie61]

The age old problem........[&:]

Two fronts to fight on and not enough time to play [:(]

But I will give it a fighting try !!!

Who needs sleep[:'(]

But not starting anything, by CMSF is 110% deleted the day/ night I get my download link [:D]

[Firebri]

Not enought time ! tell me about it. Have you seen how many battles there are in Ostfront ! lol [&o]

[diablo1]

ORIGINAL: Panzerbri

Not enought time ! tell me about it. Have you seen how many battles there are in Ostfront ! lol [&o]

Actually no they won't release it so we can all see.

[Mad Russian]

I show 78 scenarios on my hard drive. Some of those are scenarios that are my own Works in Progress and at least some of those won't make it into the release. Which is okay, they can be made available after the release...

Then there are 11 campaigns in the game at the moment of which at least 1 of mine is not included so that should be 12.

Maybe that'll give you a better idea of what to expect with PCO.

Good Hunting.

MR

[tide1527]

MR that's a motherload of playing time. [&o] What can a person say [:)]

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: tide1527

MR that's a motherload of playing time. [&o] What can a person say [:)]

and of course, if you get tired of playing those scenarios and campaigns, you can always play some Random battles, or even pick from 15 different Random campaigns that run from as few as 4 battles up to 120 battles.

Rick

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: tide1527

MR that's a motherload of playing time. [&o] What can a person say [:)]

We've tried to stay busy while all the kinks get worked out of the code. It also explains why when we tell you changes have to be playtested that can take a bit of time. We don't just have 10 scenarios here.

Anyone that's ever made a campaign can appreciate all the work that goes into those as well.

Add to that the weather conditions, differing map sizes,lighting,random settings, play balance, etc. and you begin to see all the work a single change to the code can bring to those of us that have scenarios in the update.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Firebri]

Any news, is good news. What's the word on the demo ?

[Mobius]

It's out of the modder's and modeller's hands now. Final polish is being applied.

I'm kind of thinking of things ahead. But once it is released I'm sure people will have ideas of future things that we haven't even contemplated.

No way to compare it to CMBN as that's not out yet either. I did notice some ppl. thought CMBN to have invented relative spotting.

[Yoozername]

I say the race between them should be 'The Bulge'.  Who gets there first.  I especially like this website for KT info:
 
http://www.ss501panzer.com/research_sources_for_schwere_ss.htm

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: Yoozername

I say the race between them should be 'The Bulge'.  Who gets there first. 

Going strictly by the stated policies of both companies there won't really be a head to head race to the Bulge.

CM had gone to a modular form of release for their game series and PC is moving towards more of a theater form for it's series. So, while you should get a bulge gamette from BFC, you more than likely won't be getting one for PC4. What you will more likely getting with PC4 will be the entire Western Front; with the Bulge just being one of the battles/campaigns/operations included in the whole.

At some point, and I figure that to be after the release of PCO and CMBN, the two game systems will be seen by the gaming public to not be in the same category.

Much like apples and oranges, while both are fruit - they aren't really comparable, hence the admonition "like comparing apples to oranges". PC4 and any CMx2 module won't really be comparable except as covering part of the same time period. I expect there to be some who will prefer each and many that will play both.

What hopefully will happen is the some of the better features of each game system will get put into both systems. Then we all win, no matter which scale you prefer.

The real question for me is where does PC go after NWE? The Pacific? Another time period? 1940? The Med?

Because realistically once the theater has been done...it's been done. No need to keep hanging another set of clothes on it and redoing it over and over. Time to set some gaming precedent and move a tactical game series out of JUST the Eastern Front and NWE! PC is just the series to be able to do that with the open code where modders can add all the content that we may not give you with the original game. Or even different models/maps/weapons of what we do give you.

So, I think it's time to start thinking in terms of where you would like to see PC evolve to. Not just the Battle of the Bulge, which we will surely give you, but beyond that. We all know that PC4 will be NWE. We also have a really good idea that PC4 will take the series to a place where it will deliver in all combat modes infantry/armor/artillery/air with equally detailed combat models. IMO, and IMO only, all that's left is to get gamer input on the features you would like to see in PC4 and where you would like to see the series go after that.

If you think about it, PCO was made by gamers just like you. All of us were volunteers. We made the changes to the system we wanted to see. After PCO is released, and you see where we've taken it, then it will be your turn to comment, not only on what we've done so far, but what YOU the CUSTOMER would like to see in future games of the series.

Good Hunting.

MR

[Mobius]

Or both could converge at Arnhem Bridge. I built that bridge once before for miniatures. I still have the photos.

[Mad Russian]

How hard would it be to recreate the bridge in PC4 using the Map Maker editor? Should we expect to see 'THE' Arnhem Bridge in PC4?

Or the village of St. Mere Eglise?

Or other historical sites in detail?

Good Hunting.

MR

[BigAlMoho1]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

How hard would it be to recreate the bridge in PC4 using the Map Maker editor? Should we expect to see 'THE' Arnhem Bridge in PC4?

Or the village of St. Mere Eglise?

Or other historical sites in detail?

Good Hunting.

MR

Now, you've got my attention! Just keep on moving in that direction, please...

[junk2drive]

All we need is a budget.

[Mobius]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian
How hard would it be to recreate the bridge in PC4 using the Map Maker editor? Should we expect to see 'THE' Arnhem Bridge in PC4?

You don't need a MM to build the bridge itself. The land around it yes. There is one sticking point. The bridge and ramp have underpasses. You have to either ignore them or have a way for things to have two levels for land movement. So maybe PC4 will have tunnels, maybe not.

PC4 may not be on just on one theater. Contributors are like cats, they are pretty hard to herd. So battles may be all over the place if PC4 is guided by modder's interest.

I have lots of photos of the Stalingrad grain elevator. But, I don't currently want to spend 3 months on one map like I did with the Stalingrad railroad station.

[Ratzki]

I liike the toolkit idea for PC4. Give us a good system, them turn out a module that adds features and units to the system, not just for a single battle or theatre, but were ever we want to go. That way we get to fight all over the globe and with forces that would not warrant a game unto itself. Spanish civil war, WW1, all could be in one giant toolkit of a game that keeps on expanding.

[Joseph_Nevsky]

ORIGINAL: Richie61

...The age old problem........[&:]

Two fronts to fight on and not enough time to play [:(]

But I will give it a fighting try !!! ...

+1

I´ll give a try to both: PCO and CM:BN [:)]



But if you, Matrix Games, want to win with your PCO, here you are a suggestion: add a new layer to the game. An operational layer, for instance.

Which one...?

Exactly!!: "Panzer Command Campaigns", an operational wargame where you command forces up to a Division in size during the WWII. Working in tandem with Panzer Command game engine, Panzer Command Campaigns will allow to command the troops at the operational level and then play out the resulting battles at the tactical level. [;)]

Yes, a wargamer´s dream.

And you´ll win for sure "in your battle vs. Battlefront" if you work on this!! [;)]

[spellir74]

ORIGINAL: Joseph_Nevsky

ORIGINAL: Richie61

...The age old problem........[&:]

Two fronts to fight on and not enough time to play [:(]

But I will give it a fighting try !!! ...

+1

I´ll give a try to both: PCO and CM:BN [:)]



But if you, Matrix Games, want to win with your PCO, here you are a suggestion: add a new layer to the game. An operational layer, for instance.

Which one...?

Exactly!!: "Panzer Command Campaigns", an operational wargame where you command forces up to a Division in size during the WWII. Working in tandem with Panzer Command game engine, Panzer Command Campaigns will allow to command the troops at the operational level and then play out the resulting battles at the tactical level. [;)]

Yes, a wargamer´s dream.

And you´ll win for sure "in your battle vs. Battlefront" if you work on this!! [;)]

ahem...