Was this incredibly lucky or a normal event in H2H?

[Karnaaj]

I always found that the Bren carriers are easy victims. Level-ground rifle fire can destroy 'em, from a 4-man recon squad, and get an MG hosing 'em, they're almost always gone before the second burst...

Ah, the SK 222 is open-topped? <insert muttered cursing here> I was *wondering* what the hell was the problem. Seems that I lost one due to a top hit from an MP40 once... I was thinking that they "armoured" the sucker by putting a coat of wax on it.

Haven't really noticed any serious open-top losses in SP:WAW. The fun ones were in Close Combat II: A Bridge Too Far... my piddly little 50mm mortars would occasionally nail the Brit open-top flame/engineer tanks. VOOOSH! It was also fun if you could get enough hits (usually with 80mm, I'd espect - disremember at the mo') to collapse a building on top of the eight or so pinned infantry squads inside. Kinda made up for them getting one of those engineer tracks into line-of-sight and spigot-bombing my poor MG42 team into a fine red mist... <snif><EG>

[Tutty]

try the CS tanks instead of 2pdr.

and 40mm AA not to forget...

Yeah those 3in. howitzers really do help.

and yes, the 40mm AA is indeed my weapon of choice. No infantry is getting past that baby!

THe 290mm Spigot packs quite the wallop too!

[Fabs]

The British are modelled very poorly in most Steel Panthers games and derivatives.

Their infantry tended to be sturdy and fought well, their equipment was normally behind the German's until supplies from America started to come over in large quantities.

At the start of the war they were often poorly led, leading to some big disasters, but that was at the strategic level, nothing to do with the quality of the troops, which was better than the Americans until 1943, once American units had got sufficient experience (they came to fight the Germans in the Eurpean/North African theater over 2 years later than the first clashes between British and German troops).

In italy, North West Europe and eventually in the far East the British continued to fight well and made an important contribution to final victory. Britain was exhausted by its continuous war effort by then and infantry replacements were scarce.

A number of veteran divisions had lost their fighting edge because soldiers who had survived through 3 or four years of war felt they had done more than their fair share. Still ,they participated in a number of vital battles which they won at great cost and through efforts that were no less valiant than those of their American allies.

The animosity between Allies is well documented and due mostly to a few oversized egos at the top and the usual effect of the media distorting the truth to get controversy going and sell papers.

Americans did not take well to early British attitudes of condescension (a very British phenomenon, still alive these days when they have less and less justification), but that does not warrant the biased attitudes that lead to the belittlement of the British contribution to the Allied war effort, and are reflected in their poor representation in games such as SPWAW.

[Panzer Leo]

Originally posted by Fabs
The British are modelled very poorly in most Steel Panthers games and derivatives.

What should be modeled different ? Any hints on how to improve it ?

My experience with British troops was pretty good up to now...can't tell of special weaknesses...the infantry equipement in late war is not really the best, but troop quality and leadership is amongst the finest around...the Para's are good for some real tough battles...

...there's still some time left till the H2H patch comes out...enough time to do something on the UK...but I have to get input on what's wrong...

[Fabs]

I'm referring to the morale and experience ratings. In most scenarios I have played they are lower than the German values, and I don't think that reflects reality.

Has anyone noticed how German gunners almost always hit first time, while Allied gunners can miss two or three times in a duel between tanks? And British units stop fighting the minute they are fired on, while German units continue to fight on regardless of the amount of fire they are exposed to?

[Panzer Leo]

Originally posted by Fabs
I'm referring to the morale and experience ratings. In most scenarios I have played they are lower than the German values, and I don't think that reflects reality.

Has anyone noticed how German gunners almost always hit first time, while Allied gunners can miss two or three times in a duel between tanks? And British units stop fighting the minute they are fired on, while German units continue to fight on regardless of the amount of fire they are exposed to?

Hmmm...if scenarios are designed that way, I certainly can't do anything about it...I can only take a look at the default values for battle purchase and the UK does not look bad...in fact it looks pretty good...

Exp is 5 pts higher, Morale 5 pts lower and Leadership equally to German in '44...that makes both forces pretty equal...in '45 the British are definetely better then Germans (except for morale...it is the effect you described above)...also the British have a very good Fire Control for standard units (3), easily bipassing German infantry in '44 and '45...

And the tank fighting...well, I think it depends a lot on the guns involved, so I can't say much about that...the only thing I know is, that the British build the only larger caliber gun in noticable numbers equally in performence to it's German counterpart, the 17pdr...it's the best Allied gun in my eyes and I always fear these thingies when going against British troops with armor...

I don't say your impression is wrong, but I can't find reasons why the British should be so bad...I think some playing with generated battles would help to find out the actual battlefield behaviour...

[rbrunsman]

Fabs, not in 1945! My Germans are terrible and the Brits are hitting with alarming accuracy on the first shot. E.g. A Comet rises from behind a hill, takes 2 shots and kills 2 AFVs then withdraws behind hill to be repeated next turn. My Germans are quivering in their boots. I've never seen such terrible ratings for the Germans since I don't usually play this late in the war.