It seems that we haven't been acting on ourselfs latelly. After the dissaster of the Greek army in 1922, 60km away from Ankara, the lesson was clear: do what we say,or you'll face death.Ofcourse it was the european powers that were helping Turkey at that time. US came up as a new fruit for Greece,after WWII.Originally posted by Kluckenbill:
Surely you jest. I'd love to know of a single instance where Greece helped the US in any way that was not in Greece's own interest. Mind you I'm not complaining, its understandable that a nation act in its self interest, I just resent it when we (the US) get blamed for actions that other countries take for their own self interest.
I didn't say that Greece helped US, US forced Greece to do things out of our interest,and for US interest ofcourse. After WWII there was a 3 years civil war: one side was the silly communist party, the other side was the silly western influeced (say US/Britain) Greek goverment. Ofcourse the goverment won cause, as we all know, after WWII the world had been dominated to US/european influence areas and Russian areas. Now tell me,what was Greece interest to fight a civil war after such a disasterous occupation of Axis forces at WWII? It was US who needed a steady ground at the Balkans, a backup of Turkey for Nato purposes. US needed to have control over the aegean sea.
Should I now start talking about Cyprus? The good Nato aircraft carrier near middle east? Divide and conquer is the key here, if we divide it betwin Turkey and Greece, we have maximum benefits: both will try to please us. So,lets install a nice dictatorship at Greece (1967), fool around, remove it when we succeed our purposes,do the same to the Turks... Poor Turks,they had (and still have) tons of military equipement because it was THEIR interest to serve NATO... Too bad all that was turned against Greece, now that WP is no more.
Isn't it strange that every time Greece and an other country (usually Turkey) have trouble, the good samaritan (US) pops up, and gives the nice solution? Hell, those Finn guys never give a damn about the Balkans, only US cares. They never invited Greece and Turkey to Helsinki,inhospitable people.
Now that Cyprus is well divided, it is time for aegean to be divided. Divide and conquer, the undersea resources of aegean will be very usefull to the US. There were even talks after the Imia crisis, that those resources should be 33% Greek , 33% Turkish. I'm not a good mathematician, I though the sum was 66, but it is 100.
Should I now start talking about the , oh well, "Macedonians" north of our borders?
Your goverment guys I think is getting pissed off because we are turning towards the EU.
I have the following suggestion to make: don't trust your media, if you want to be fair. They always present US as the peace maker, the good Samaritan. And your media will always obsess you with an enemy: first it was the bad-evil Ruskies (now presented as the half-silly helpfull people), then it was Iraq who threaten with armagedon the whole world,now it is the Chinese agressors who just want back what they had before (Taiwan). Notice that in science finction movies, some alliens (all that look like humans) have "Mongolian" like eyes, I mean you are obsesed against China- Japan. Just came to my mind, the bad race in Babylon5 was a race named something like "Balkans"? And they looked like Chinese?? Just relax guys, and visit Pekin once. Anyway, I think I'm out of topic right now.
Lars Remmen: What I said was:
"I don't care if there is an earthquake at the other side of the earth. My tooth hurts!"
I said that to empasize the fact that we care much more about us, than about the others. The public doesn't care about Greek and Finnish heroisms. They care about private Ryan and public Bryan etc etc.
I am messed too. Are we talking about Fin heroism, about Greek wars or about US influence anyway?
And now a Greek joke: Those who believe that they know everything, irritate us because we do.
And don't dare to forget: www.army.gr , obsolute equipement from the absolute friend.
I don't agree 100% but I understand.
