Is my PBEM opponent cheating?

Teräspantteri · Post by **Teräspantteri** » Tue May 20, 2003 5:39 pm

Something got me very suspicious when playing with one of my PBEM opponents. When I press "1" it says Player 2 (that's my opp) loads=12, quits=9.

Could there be any other explanation than cheating?

He has also exceeded the 10% arty limit and purchased units from other nation's OOB...

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Should I bring his name to attention?

Resisti · Post by **Resisti** » Tue May 20, 2003 6:38 pm

It is very hard to recognise for sure a cheater.
And making someone’s name public will obtain the only effect for you to be blamed for doing so, unless you can demonstrate above any reasonable doubt he’s a cheater.
The load/quit difference is indicative, but a 12/9 doesn’t seem enough to claim about him to be a cheater. I myself have to reload from time to time, due to electrical failure or PC freezing, during a game turn.
It would be a good attitude to let your opponent know about it, tough.
If he doesn’t respect some of the pre game agreement you should let him – politely – notice it.
As for buying from another nation’s pool, well, it depends on which nation (compared with the default one) and what he bought.
Anything that has not been agreed upon, before the game, cannot be considered as breaking a rule or cheating, anyway.

So basically, to reply to your question, no, do not bring his name to public attention, at least if these are the reasons..

Teräspantteri · Post by **Teräspantteri** » Tue May 20, 2003 7:07 pm

I had questioned him before and just got his confession a minute ago.

He promised never to cheat again... So I guess everything is ok now.

Oh boy, was I fuming earlier... Talk about taking these battles too seriously, eh?

rbrunsman · Post by **rbrunsman** » Tue May 20, 2003 11:00 pm

When you see 60 loads, 20 saves and all of your hidden units seem to be found without any trouble, then you know something seriously wrong is happening.

Hawk · Post by **Hawk** » Wed May 21, 2003 12:21 am

I've somtimes forgotten that we were supposed to only have 10%....(Just ask Goblin

) So i wouldn't fault a guy on that.......usually the guy should start over or i...would tell Goblin that i wont use a certain Artillery unit so as to companstate.

Goblin · Post by **Goblin** » Wed May 21, 2003 3:07 am

I agree Hawk, I have done it too. If it isn't a huge amount, I usually let my opponent use it anyways. You can always balance it w/reinforcement points too.

The 'other Nation' thing: I disagree, and think it is a more important issue than Resisti does. He should not do it just because you didn't forbid it before hand. In my opinion, it should never be done unless you speciafically allow it before hand. Slight difference in wording, big potential difference in OOB's.

Goblin

rbrunsman · Post by **rbrunsman** » Wed May 21, 2003 3:49 am

I agree with Gob. If I say I'm going to be Italians, that's a whole lot different than intending to be the Axis powers and start buying German units.

Also, since the Italians have some fun units, I'll ask if I can buy from them before I do so if I'm the Germans. But I would expect my opponent to then be able to borrow from the other Allied nations too.

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Wed May 21, 2003 4:45 am

Originally posted by rbrunsman
I agree with Gob. If I say I'm going to be Italians, that's a whole lot different than intending to be the Axis powers and start buying German units.

Also, since the Italians have some fun units, I'll ask if I can buy from them before I do so if I'm the Germans. But I would expect my opponent to then be able to borrow from the other Allied nations too.

Ditto....And R-man is a sissy..so if I agree with him..welll.......:p

By the way.....I ran a test...A battle between me and Bernie...

I re-opened his last turn..hit the "1" key and sure enough..

player one showed like

Loads 6 Quits 7

player two showed like

Loads 7 Quits 7

I am not really sure what this means...

I will say this...I dont cheat...and I have met Bernie face to face and he is a good-one! So I know he does not cheat...

If I stop before I play a turn and I play many...and watch "1" Gawd I have not even looked at Hawk and me in Market Garden...this has been going on for months and months...AND DOOM!! we have well over a 1000 reads.

I say ..trust your enemy...and keep him close.....

and if you play me...and see Loads 107 Quits 79

well then...we should talk

Raskolnikov · Post by **Raskolnikov** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:06 am

Originally posted by M4 Jess
and if you play me...and see Loads 107 Quits 79

well then...we should talk

The only thing you're likely to see are burning M4s.

Loads 300 Quits 79 won't stop them being a Soft Vehicle.

R.

M4Jess · Post by **M4Jess** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:09 am

Originally posted by Raskolnikov
The only thing you're likely to see are burning M4s.
Loads 300 Quits 79 won't stop them being a Soft Vehicle.

R.

another kat...go figure:rolleyes:

what a sissy:p

mandreads · Post by **mandreads** » Wed May 21, 2003 9:20 am

I find it pretty amusing... Every thread, no matter what is the original subject, somehow with some strange twists turns into this "My katz will come and eat your heads! - No but my M4 ruulz!" debate.

How do you do that?! :p

Irinami · Post by **Irinami** » Wed May 21, 2003 5:18 pm

It takes training, mandread.

Hey Teräspantteri, are you accounting for organic artillery in that 10%? IOW, people, don't forget about organic artillery. That could really[/b] blow the whole 10% limit thing. ^^;

Karnaaj · Post by **Karnaaj** » Thu May 22, 2003 7:48 am

Originally posted by Irinami
Hey Teräspantteri, are you accounting for organic artillery in that 10%? IOW, people, don't forget about organic artillery. That could really blow the whole 10% limit thing. ^^; [/B]

Oh, yah, organic. ("Ow. Ow. OW. OW. OW!") Decided to to a larger blitz into Poland - 5000 points, I think, Sept '39. Bought a bunch of Panzers, some motorised infantry, and some scouts (8-rad). The AI picked one godawful amount of infantry, and each platoon (? company, mebbe?) had organic 81mm mortars... as in, certainly more than 20. <!> Once the AI started *using* 'em, it got kinda dangerous in spots. (Those immobilised vehicles were unhappy - only lost one track to a mortar-hit, tho.) Nothing from off-board, and all *I* had was, I think, 3 8cm tubes.

Bernie · Post by **Bernie** » Fri May 23, 2003 12:35 am

Originally posted by M4 Jess
Ditto....And R-man is a sissy..so if I agree with him..welll.......:p

By the way.....I ran a test...A battle between me and Bernie...

I re-opened his last turn..hit the "1" key and sure enough..

player one showed like

Loads 6 Quits 7

player two showed like

Loads 7 Quits 7

I am not really sure what this means...

I wonder if that could be due to exiting in the middle of a turn and then finishing it later? I got an emergency call from a customer last week (blown water heater at 1:30 AM) and I exited, shut down, went and removed the old heater (she couldn't turn off the valve and it was making a flood) and came back home and finished the turn. (Installed a new heater the next morning after Lowe's opened.)

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Fri May 23, 2003 4:45 am

I dont know how that loads and quits thing works, coz sometimes I will quit in a middle of a turn, then finish it later, so wouldnt that give me more loads and quits than my opponent??

rbrunsman · Post by **rbrunsman** » Fri May 23, 2003 9:16 am

Indeed it would. Nothing wrong with that.

peter hellman · Post by **peter hellman** » Fri May 23, 2003 9:24 am

About the loads and quits. First you load the turn, that's a load. Then if you quit in the middle of a turn, that's a quit. Then you pick up the turn and continue, that's a load. Then you end the turn, that's a quit. That makes the loads and the quits for the player even. It doesn't matter if player 1 has 50 loads and player 2 30 loads, as long as the quits are as many as the loads.

Anyway that's how I've figured it out.

If the loads and quits are uneven, there might well be a good reason for it, but it would be good to tell the opponent about it if there was some fuzz.

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