H2H - What do you think ?

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Tue Jul 02, 2002 12:04 pm

Originally posted by Alby
I might have switched them awhile back
Do you Know the shp file number those particular vehicles are in?
I.E. icon0000 Icon0001 ect ect....

It should be:

icon0059
icon0060

...I hope

tracer · Post by **tracer** » Mon Jul 15, 2002 8:33 am

I noticed that when the 2-man flammenwerfer team runs out of ammo for its primary weapon, the carbine in the secondary slot no longer fires. Apologies if this has been brought up already.

And I'm not sure if this is an oversight or intentional: the Soviet P-Mol was wisely (IMO) changed in v7.1, making its ammo AP only and unusable against infantry. I notice in H2H that its reverted back to being a nifty 3-hex flamethrower with 10 shots.

I understand you can throw a bottle of petrol at anything, but in the spirit of 'balance' I think that weapon should be limited to vehicles.

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Tue Jul 16, 2002 11:59 pm

Originally posted by tracer
I noticed that when the 2-man flammenwerfer team runs out of ammo for its primary weapon, the carbine in the secondary slot no longer fires. Apologies if this has been brought up already.

And I'm not sure if this is an oversight or intentional: the Soviet P-Mol was wisely (IMO) changed in v7.1, making its ammo AP only and unusable against infantry. I notice in H2H that its reverted back to being a nifty 3-hex flamethrower with 10 shots. I understand you can throw a bottle of petrol at anything, but in the spirit of 'balance' I think that weapon should be limited to vehicles.

Hi Tracer !

I'm not sure about the Flammenwerfer...mine do work, when the shots are down to 0, the 98k still fires...

Might it be, that when you tested it, the unit already suffered a loss...if there's only one man left, the second weapons will not fire any more...that's the case for all two-men teams...

The P-Mol is a good hint...I will look into it...thanks !

tracer · Post by **tracer** » Wed Jul 17, 2002 7:49 am

Originally posted by Panzer Leo

Hi Tracer !

I'm not sure about the Flammenwerfer...mine do work, when the shots are down to 0, the 98k still fires...

Might it be, that when you tested it, the unit already suffered a loss...if there's only one man left, the second weapons will not fire any more...that's the case for all two-men teams...

The P-Mol is a good hint...I will look into it...thanks !

DOH! That's probably what it was...also too much PBEM, not enough sleep! Thanks

Kevin E. Duguay · Post by **Kevin E. Duguay** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:38 pm

Leo,
Did you find a place for us to down load H2H yet!!:)

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Wed Aug 14, 2002 11:56 pm

Originally posted by Kevin E. Duguay
Leo,
Did you find a place for us to down load H2H yet!!:)

It will be hosted by the Blitzkrieg Wargaming Club

The final release version is complete and tested...I'm trying to get it over to the Blitz right now and then they will put it up...don't know how long they will need...but shouldn't be a big deal...

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 3:45 am

"The final release version is complete and tested...I'm trying to get it over to the Blitz right now and then they will put it up...don't know how long they will need...but shouldn't be a big deal."..

YEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAWWWWWWWWWWW!!:)

Noticed something, The Ruskies have a Super Heavy Mortar Plt(on board) available Jan 49, But the "super heavy"(160MM) mortars arnt!! until dec 49.
too late now tho!!

Kevin E. Duguay · Post by **Kevin E. Duguay** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:12 am

Many things are to late, and some of it is my fault.

Alby · Post by **Alby** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 4:52 am

Kevin E. Duguay · Post by **Kevin E. Duguay** » Thu Aug 15, 2002 7:43 am

Never mind. It may be only a minor thing.

Or may be not?

Galka · Post by **Galka** » Wed Sep 04, 2002 8:10 am

I'm reading ]On to Berlin Gen. James Gavin's autobiography.
He became General of the 82nd Airborne suring WW2 having worked his way from Captain.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Panzer Leo

The PzFst was used as "super heavy handgrenade" quite often.
If you look at some numbers:
over 8 million were produced, 3 million were still in service on may 45.
Of these 5 million used or lost PzFsts, let's assume only one fifth was actually fired at the enemy, the rest lost, captured, destroyed or whatever...

Or whatever could include use by US troops on the enemy. Gavin Claims that truckloads of the Panzerfaust were available to his troops after Normandy. The PF was his divisions preferred AT weapon. He claims the bazooka was a very poor weapon for taking out panzers head on. He even went on to point out that bazookas were as useless during the Korean war on Soviet T-34/85s

Further comments on this appreciated, as it's not an easy subject...maybe someone has more insight on rocket usage against infantry...

I can't recall the author but I've recently read of an american soldier who while fighting in europe had suffered an attack by either a PF or panzerschrek. He felt infuriated that this weapon was used on personell and recalled that they didn't use their bazooka's against infantry.

Pick up Gavin's book for some insight and small unit battle reports.

JediMessiah · Post by **JediMessiah** » Wed Sep 04, 2002 6:49 pm

heya all,

warming up to this mod in a hurry....may make it my only version, or at least the only version ill play against the us in (hehe)

1 request.....

any way you could translate the german oob in the patch?

would make my life so much easier (and prolly seal the deal on h2h vs 7.1)

-jedimessiah

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Wed Sep 04, 2002 7:53 pm

That is, what I mainly heard of, Galka...the German Inf-AT weapons were often used by US troops, especially Panzerschrecks. The US soldiers found out, that they could knock out Panthers with it

I included Panzerfaust and Panzerschreck as limited available in late war for US troops...especially Ardennes saw some action with US PzFausts...but they are quite expensive :rolleyes:

From a US test comparing M9 Bazooka and Panzerschreck made in the 2nd Armored Division, I learned that the PzSchreck was easier to use against infantry, as the igniter of the rocket was better and immediately detonated, when the rocket hit the ground. The Bazooka round often failed to detonate on odd angles or soft ground (depending partly on the fact that it was more prone to "tumbling" in flight and being not as stable as the PzSchreck rocket).

Hi JediMessiah !

English names would mean a new set of OOBs...I don't like that idea (PBEM security...)

...well, let's see it as a kind of deal: I invested a bit time in making this version and the way you pay me for that is by learning a few German words

Believe me, you'll love it after you played the first battles and you will not even notice it's German in the future...this is a prooven fact, tested by hundreds of US players

And if you ever should meet a German, you can say great words in his language to him like PanzerGrenadier and Nebelwerfer (I don't guarantee he will like you then, though...)...isn't that worth all the effort

Do we have a deal ?

JediMessiah · Post by **JediMessiah** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 12:23 am

Sounds great leo...but ill push it a bit farther

i would love to learn the "actual" translations to some of these units

im already falling for your mod hard, and have worked my way around the german to find what is what, but i guess i would like to know exactly what "nebelwerfer" means

some are easy flammpanzer (assuming i am correct of course) means flame tank...but maybe panzer doesnt exactly translate to tank....

also...for my curiosity...what did the germans call tigers and panthers?

thanks in advance,

amateur historian in training- jedimessiah

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 3:27 am

Originally posted by JediMessiah
Sounds great leo...but ill push it a bit farther

i would love to learn the "actual" translations to some of these units

im already falling for your mod hard, and have worked my way around the german to find what is what, but i guess i would like to know exactly what "nebelwerfer" means

some are easy flammpanzer (assuming i am correct of course) means flame tank...but maybe panzer doesnt exactly translate to tank....

also...for my curiosity...what did the germans call tigers and panthers?

thanks in advance,

amateur historian in training- jedimessiah

o.k., German lesson 1:

Panzer does directly translate to tank - it can also mean "armor" like a plate of a knights armor, e.g. (a turtle sits in a "Panzer" )

The absolute correct designation for German tanks would be it's Sdkfz number (Sonderkraftfahrzeug Nummer - "Special purpose vehicle number"), but some vehicles got a nickname (sometimes officially, sometimes just by the men who used it and a few by the enemy).

A tiger is a "Tiger", a panther a "Panther" a king tiger a "Königstiger", a bumblebee "Hummel" a.s.o.
Tanks were Kitties, insects were selfpropelled guns

...ohh...one important word: "Scharfschütze" means "sharp shooter" - sniper

JediMessiah · Post by **JediMessiah** » Thu Sep 05, 2002 6:11 am

cool, thx

Kevin E. Duguay · Post by **Kevin E. Duguay** » Wed Sep 11, 2002 11:01 pm

Hi Leo!

Is the last version of your version of SPWaW ready yet? Tried site listed above but could not get it. Just wondering.

Panzer Leo · Post by **Panzer Leo** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 1:03 am

Originally posted by Kevin E. Duguay
Hi Leo!

Is the last version of your version of SPWaW ready yet? Tried site listed above but could not get it. Just wondering.

Did you hit the banner below ? The site location changed a bit at the Blitz, but the banner is always up-to-date. If you didn't download it from the Blitz before, it's the place to go...

And yep, this is the last version...the general arty ROF concept remained in this version (like the test version you had with higher rates), but I worked in some of your arty stats for arty pieces with ROFs way off...

BIG thanks again for your help

Kevin E. Duguay · Post by **Kevin E. Duguay** » Thu Sep 12, 2002 11:49 pm

Thanks Leo I have it now! Just was looking in the wrong place DUH!:eek:

H2H - What do you think ?

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