Name this (497)

[Mobeer]

All of these are in the WitP database, and the individual planes were actually used in the pacific theatre.

Used on the eastern front, and is likely to have been used in an anti-shipping role in the pacific as well:

[Mobeer]

A common plane:

[Mobeer]

Something many players never really get to use:

[wdolson]

Surprised nobody has answered yet. Is this from some Russian museum?

The last one looks like a P-63, possibly a P-39. The P-63 was an evolution of the P-39. The first one looks like an A-20, probably a late model. If it's a late model Russian A-20 it would have had the enlarged turret. I'm not sure about the middle one. It might be a Kate, though I'm not sure.

Bill

[jmolyson]

Looks like aircraft wreckage collected in Alaska or Siberia. Curtiss P-40, Bell P-39 Airacobra,
Bell P-63 Kingcobra, P-47 Thunderbolt, B-25 Mitchell, and Douglas A-20 Boston were sent to the USSR
via the Alaska route. Checking the top and middle against that list seems to indicate the top and
middle are A-20 fragments and the bottom a P-39 or -63, which I guess agrees with Bill's
estimate.

Note the English in the banner behind the P-39/-63 and the Red Star insignia behind the aircraft
in the middle picture. Judging from the remains the top picture is an A-20 with the big Russian turret,
the middle picture is an A-20 without the glazed nose. Just a guess, nature has not been kind.

Joe

[wdolson]

A bunch of found wrecks:

http://www.urbanghostsmedia.com/2015/04/abandoned-wrecked-recovered-aircraft-world-war-two/

[Mobeer]

That didn't take long - wdolson has the answers.

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Wings Museum in Balcombe, UK
http://www.wingsmuseum.co.uk/index.htm


1) A-20G supplied to the USSR in May 1944. Served on Eastern front, probably in the Baltic in an anti-ship role. Then used in the Far East against Japan.

2) B5N2 Kate, built by Aichi in November 1942. Used against Soviet invasion forces in August 1945.

3) P-63, supplied to USSR, used in August 1945 against the Japanese. Possibly strafed by the USAF in 1950 during the Korea War, when based 60 miles inside the USSR.

[wdolson]

I was not sure about the Kate at all. I'm surprised I got it right. The other two weren't that tough.

When I was a kid my father and I would go to the Chino Planes of Fame and walk around their junkyard where they had wrecked planes and what was in there was always turning over as they traded with other museums. We would try to figure out what plane a part came from. They didn't allow it, but sometimes I climbed inside them (the more complete fuselages).

That airport is a huge hive of warbird activity, there were several places restoring aircraft there in the 70s and 80s, there are two huge aircraft museums there now, but other than the museums the access has been locked down due to security stuff. I remember walking around one of the restoration places and they had a Judy and a Huey helicopter under restoration. They said the helicopter was going to be blown up by Sylvester Stalone in an upcoming movie (Rambo or the sequel). The Judy was going to static display somewhere. The same place had 6X B-26As there one time. They still had the original paint with the red dot insignia from pre-June 1942. They crashed on a ferry flight to Alaska. Imagine an AE player screaming when 6 B-26s from their squadron are lost on a ferry flight!

Bill

[ndworl]

Surprised nobody has answered yet. Is this from some Russian museum?

I suspect that's because no one visits this forum anymore. A crying shame, as I think WitP is the most complete war game ever devised (and I've been playing war games for 30 years). I have three games going now, with opponents who are as equally as keen as myself, but I wonder about the viability of a PBEM game for like-minded players if no one actually visits the forum.

[wdolson]

I hadn't noticed this wasn't the AE forum. The AE forum is very busy.

Bill