Moses,
Sounds to me like you bloodied your opponent's nose pretty well in your A-t-A Campaign over Malaya. Those losses should really degrade his Oscar and Zero pilot skills!
Thanks for the comment above about my far-ranging CV attacks upon your supply line. THOSE WERE THE DAYS! [:D] Would love to do that to Mandrake in my 2x2 Campaign...
Have you moved troops forward into New Caledonia/Efate/Luganville? When we ended our original campaign those were the islands where I lost the war...
Moses(AL)Jwilkerson(IJ)
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RE: 20-22 Jan
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: 20-22 Jan
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Moses,
Sounds to me like you bloodied your opponent's nose pretty well in your A-t-A Campaign over Malaya. Those losses should really degrade his Oscar and Zero pilot skills!
Thanks for the comment above about my far-ranging CV attacks upon your supply line. THOSE WERE THE DAYS! [:D] Would love to do that to Mandrake in my 2x2 Campaign...
Have you moved troops forward into New Caledonia/Efate/Luganville? When we ended our original campaign those were the islands where I lost the war...
I've moved my troops even further forward to PM!!! Im not going to give an inch for free!!! Numea and Luganville are also being appropriately garrisoned.
I remember when you hit those convoy's. [&:]100+ ships hit by 3 or 4 carriers. After three or four days it still seemed that about half the ships were afloat. But the nightmare went on and on.
I've tried to improve my naval game since then[:D][:D][:D]
26 Jan
26 Jan:
A quiet but good day for the allies.
Malaysia: My bombardments all go in killing 2000 troops at Jahora Bhuru and lots of guns. My B26/25/B17C's (now based from Palenbang) pitched in as well killing over 700 troops. Finally I attacked 4 of his armor units which had advanced prematurely into Singapore with yesterdays shock attack. They were driven out with heavy loss. A very nice days work for my forces.
His air attacks were half-hearted and failed to hit anything and he didn't even try to bomb Singapore. Perhaps his air force finally reached its limit and had to rest.
PM: The marine division is mostly ashore without taking any losses. His zero's tangled with my F4F's with him lossing 2 zero's to my 3 F4F's. I will have the second F4F squadren there next turn.
CV watch: Lex is at 44 floatation. Perhaps it will survive.[:)]
A quiet but good day for the allies.
Malaysia: My bombardments all go in killing 2000 troops at Jahora Bhuru and lots of guns. My B26/25/B17C's (now based from Palenbang) pitched in as well killing over 700 troops. Finally I attacked 4 of his armor units which had advanced prematurely into Singapore with yesterdays shock attack. They were driven out with heavy loss. A very nice days work for my forces.
His air attacks were half-hearted and failed to hit anything and he didn't even try to bomb Singapore. Perhaps his air force finally reached its limit and had to rest.
PM: The marine division is mostly ashore without taking any losses. His zero's tangled with my F4F's with him lossing 2 zero's to my 3 F4F's. I will have the second F4F squadren there next turn.
CV watch: Lex is at 44 floatation. Perhaps it will survive.[:)]
RE: 26 Jan
If Lex is at 44 Flot, you are in great shape. Considering the mistake, to not lose a single CV is a great victory. It will take a while to fix them up but his life will be difficult facing all of the initial US CVs in June or July 1942. I always seek to knock a few out PRIOR to April/May 1942 if lossible. Makes it a lot easier for the second half of 1942.
Do you think that he will atack PM? New Caledonia?
He doesn't seem to be TOO agressive. This comment excludes the Darwin attack...
Do you think that he will atack PM? New Caledonia?
He doesn't seem to be TOO agressive. This comment excludes the Darwin attack...
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RE: 26 Jan
As for aggression you have to remember that this was a pure historical start. On Dec 8 most of Japan's army was not even loaded on ships yet. So its not so easy to advance because by the time you have forces ready to attack, the allied force could be anywhere and so Jwilkerson didn't get anything for free.
It becomes a difficult choice for Japan. Sure you can invade all over as soon as the transports can get there but you will have to accept very heavy losses and some seriously failed invasions. Or you can support your invasion, which ties you to a fairly historical timeline.
As for the future I really have little clue as to his plans other then that he has already made a significant investment in Austrailia. First he has to take Singapore/PI and the DEI which still offers significant challenges. My force in Singapore is not all that outnumbered and may be able to fight on for some time.
I hope he tries PM because I have it heavily defended with a full division and supporting troops. I hope that was not a stupid decision but at least I should have a couple months to dig in and then he will need a considerable force to take it out. My main problem now is getting my F4F's all to PM. I have the two F4F groups from the damaged carriers there but fragments of these units keep trying to rejoin the carrier. Damm cowards!!!
It becomes a difficult choice for Japan. Sure you can invade all over as soon as the transports can get there but you will have to accept very heavy losses and some seriously failed invasions. Or you can support your invasion, which ties you to a fairly historical timeline.
As for the future I really have little clue as to his plans other then that he has already made a significant investment in Austrailia. First he has to take Singapore/PI and the DEI which still offers significant challenges. My force in Singapore is not all that outnumbered and may be able to fight on for some time.
I hope he tries PM because I have it heavily defended with a full division and supporting troops. I hope that was not a stupid decision but at least I should have a couple months to dig in and then he will need a considerable force to take it out. My main problem now is getting my F4F's all to PM. I have the two F4F groups from the damaged carriers there but fragments of these units keep trying to rejoin the carrier. Damm cowards!!!
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RE: 26 Jan
I hope he tries PM because I have it heavily defended with a full division and supporting troops. I hope that was not a stupid decision but at least I should have a couple months to dig in and then he will need a considerable force to take it out. My main problem now is getting my F4F's all to PM. I have the two F4F groups from the damaged carriers there but fragments of these units keep trying to rejoin the carrier. Damm cowards!!!
Don't count on those planes staying where you want them. [:-][:-]
They will try to get back to their parent CV as long as there is a fragment left on board. I had my "Midway" off of Cairns against the AI when I first started playing and the Hornet had 94 sys damage. The fragments kept moving up and down the coast of Australia and eventually, I was able to get them together and unto Long Island to follow the CV back to San Fran. However, they would try to get to any base within range and the LI and Co. took the long way to the WC. [:D][:D]
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I'm going to try and move the whole group toward the carrier and try to combine it into one group with no fragments. Maybe that will work.
27-28 Jan
27-28 Jan:
Air war: Over the last two days I have attrited 21 more zero's in a series of small battles over Singapore, Palenbang and Port Moresby. 272 zero's and 198 Nells killed so far and we're not yet at the 2 month mark. He has essentially halted his bombing campaign in China and only at Clark field does he maintain a sustained bombing effort.
Malaya: I have bombed Jahoru Bhuru with great effect the last two days killing over 500 troops each turn. He bombed Singapore on the 27th killing only around 150 troops. I look forward to his river crossing as I should have around 70,000 fairly fresh, well-supplied, dug in troops agaist his 100,000 which have fought hard and undergone massive bombardment for the last three turns. Over the last three days he has had 3861 casualties due to bombardments.
Java Sea: My surface force is bailing out from Palenbang by way of Batvia. Japan had a major success by nailing the BB Revenge and the CA Cornwall (zero's and Nell's) at Palenbang causing heavy (about 50 sys) damage. Those too ships remain in port at Palenbang for the moment while everything else pulls out. There is some danger for tommorrow as his carriers are west of Java and could concievable reach Batvia this turn with a high speed move. If so he would sink some ships. I have my fighters set up to defend Batvia as best they can and another group set to escort my torpedoe bombers.
Burma: He took Mandalay which means the disappointing Burma campaign is nearing its end. I will still make him fight a bit more to close the Burma road. But unless he gets cocky and sends the bulk of his force south I have no expectation of victory here.
CV Watch: Lex is at 33 float.
Air war: Over the last two days I have attrited 21 more zero's in a series of small battles over Singapore, Palenbang and Port Moresby. 272 zero's and 198 Nells killed so far and we're not yet at the 2 month mark. He has essentially halted his bombing campaign in China and only at Clark field does he maintain a sustained bombing effort.
Malaya: I have bombed Jahoru Bhuru with great effect the last two days killing over 500 troops each turn. He bombed Singapore on the 27th killing only around 150 troops. I look forward to his river crossing as I should have around 70,000 fairly fresh, well-supplied, dug in troops agaist his 100,000 which have fought hard and undergone massive bombardment for the last three turns. Over the last three days he has had 3861 casualties due to bombardments.
Java Sea: My surface force is bailing out from Palenbang by way of Batvia. Japan had a major success by nailing the BB Revenge and the CA Cornwall (zero's and Nell's) at Palenbang causing heavy (about 50 sys) damage. Those too ships remain in port at Palenbang for the moment while everything else pulls out. There is some danger for tommorrow as his carriers are west of Java and could concievable reach Batvia this turn with a high speed move. If so he would sink some ships. I have my fighters set up to defend Batvia as best they can and another group set to escort my torpedoe bombers.
Burma: He took Mandalay which means the disappointing Burma campaign is nearing its end. I will still make him fight a bit more to close the Burma road. But unless he gets cocky and sends the bulk of his force south I have no expectation of victory here.
CV Watch: Lex is at 33 float.
29-30 Jan
29-30 Jan:
Malaya: The big battle disapoints: I had hoped for a little better.
Japanese Shock attack at Singapore
Attacking force 99282 troops, 679 guns, 145 vehicles, Assault Value = 1641
Defending force 61402 troops, 414 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 722
Japanese max assault: 1628 - adjusted assault: 1106
Allied max defense: 671 - adjusted defense: 707
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 6)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5
Japanese ground losses:--------------------Allied ground losses:
3020 casualties reported--------------------2125 casualties reported
Guns lost 66----------------------------------Guns lost 69
Vehicles lost 1
Now the outcome is certain and only the surrender date is in doubt.
Burma: My troops fall back in disarray and without supply. I will evacuate what I can by air as I try to delay as much as possible using chinese divisions.
PI: Japan takes San Marcilino which is my last supply production site other then Clark Field. He still is only showing one division and one Bde in the north and for all I know it might be possible to retake the bulk of northern PI by simply bypassing his two big unit currently at San Marcilino. I don't have the guts to try this as it courts early disaster and so I remain in a static defence at Clark Field waiting for him to enter the hex. I still believe I have the force there to shock attack him back across the river but I never know with Jwilkerson.
Port Moresby: I've pulled my F4F's out for a few turns to try and collect the fragments which quite uncooperatively keep wanting to rejoin their carrier. The 2 F4F groups are now in one piece and I am waiting for them to reach 100 % strength before returning them to PM. (If I transfer with unreadied planes I will create a fragment which I think will not cooperate).
My concern has been that with my fighter cover gone, Japan will bomb and close the airfield. I have been pleased to see that my engineers are coping quite nicely and unless he get reinforcements I will have a good airfield when my planes are ready. I also have a big 72 plane P39 group reaching Brisbane in 2 days and 2 more big fighter groups reaching Austrailia in about 10 days. The objective of creating a large attrition battle at this location may be achievable.
CV watch: Lex is at 14 float!!!!!! I think she's going to live!!! Saratoga is moving south to Townsville with heavy escort and will join the Lex tommorrow. I've been patroling the area heavily and all of his subs seem to have left.
Malaya: The big battle disapoints: I had hoped for a little better.
Japanese Shock attack at Singapore
Attacking force 99282 troops, 679 guns, 145 vehicles, Assault Value = 1641
Defending force 61402 troops, 414 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 722
Japanese max assault: 1628 - adjusted assault: 1106
Allied max defense: 671 - adjusted defense: 707
Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 6)
Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 5
Japanese ground losses:--------------------Allied ground losses:
3020 casualties reported--------------------2125 casualties reported
Guns lost 66----------------------------------Guns lost 69
Vehicles lost 1
Now the outcome is certain and only the surrender date is in doubt.
Burma: My troops fall back in disarray and without supply. I will evacuate what I can by air as I try to delay as much as possible using chinese divisions.
PI: Japan takes San Marcilino which is my last supply production site other then Clark Field. He still is only showing one division and one Bde in the north and for all I know it might be possible to retake the bulk of northern PI by simply bypassing his two big unit currently at San Marcilino. I don't have the guts to try this as it courts early disaster and so I remain in a static defence at Clark Field waiting for him to enter the hex. I still believe I have the force there to shock attack him back across the river but I never know with Jwilkerson.
Port Moresby: I've pulled my F4F's out for a few turns to try and collect the fragments which quite uncooperatively keep wanting to rejoin their carrier. The 2 F4F groups are now in one piece and I am waiting for them to reach 100 % strength before returning them to PM. (If I transfer with unreadied planes I will create a fragment which I think will not cooperate).
My concern has been that with my fighter cover gone, Japan will bomb and close the airfield. I have been pleased to see that my engineers are coping quite nicely and unless he get reinforcements I will have a good airfield when my planes are ready. I also have a big 72 plane P39 group reaching Brisbane in 2 days and 2 more big fighter groups reaching Austrailia in about 10 days. The objective of creating a large attrition battle at this location may be achievable.
CV watch: Lex is at 14 float!!!!!! I think she's going to live!!! Saratoga is moving south to Townsville with heavy escort and will join the Lex tommorrow. I've been patroling the area heavily and all of his subs seem to have left.
31Jan-2 Feb
31 Jan-2 feb:
It's been fairly quite. My troops in Burma continue their sad retreat and I expect the Burma road to be cut in days. My British troops will have to march to China and what little remains will go by air back to India. Japan continues to grind away at Singapore and bomb Clark field each day. At PM daily air battles occur with Japan having the upper hand at the moment.
My Cv's have no floatation damage and are now headed to Sydny. I have my other two carriers doing ASW work along the coast and with coastal bombers also flying search and ASW I have not seen a sub in a week.
China: I've not said much about this theater as it moves so slow. It seems that Japan intends to slowly strangle me in the north. He has troops moving the in the north along the long route to Lanchow and some coming directly from Yenen. They seem to be in no hurry. I have sufficient troops in the area but my supply in the north is perhaps not sufficient.
I have plenty of supply in the south and I have set in motion a small offensive around Changsa to draw some of his attention there. He no longer bombs anything in China except for his pilot training efforts.
It's been fairly quite. My troops in Burma continue their sad retreat and I expect the Burma road to be cut in days. My British troops will have to march to China and what little remains will go by air back to India. Japan continues to grind away at Singapore and bomb Clark field each day. At PM daily air battles occur with Japan having the upper hand at the moment.
My Cv's have no floatation damage and are now headed to Sydny. I have my other two carriers doing ASW work along the coast and with coastal bombers also flying search and ASW I have not seen a sub in a week.
China: I've not said much about this theater as it moves so slow. It seems that Japan intends to slowly strangle me in the north. He has troops moving the in the north along the long route to Lanchow and some coming directly from Yenen. They seem to be in no hurry. I have sufficient troops in the area but my supply in the north is perhaps not sufficient.
I have plenty of supply in the south and I have set in motion a small offensive around Changsa to draw some of his attention there. He no longer bombs anything in China except for his pilot training efforts.
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3-4 Feb
3-4 Feb:
Java: KB has shown itself and it is bearing down on Java from the east. I still have a lot of aircraft in the fight but against all those zero's it's going to be tough to do anything. Last turn 14 Martins went in alone by accident and ran up against 119 zero's. I'm going to try a couple ambushes. I'm flying very little CAP on the east side of the island. Everything is on escort with the hope that with 50-60 fighters flying escort a couple of my 30-40 torpedo bombers at Soregeba might get through. As a second possibility I'm resting up my heavy bombers and at some point in the next few days I will send them in in mass to try and fight through the CAP. The odds are heavily in KB's favor as he can bomb my airfields and may well send in bombardment forces to damage my already inferior air force.
On the west side of Java I'm still flying heavy CAP and that has kept his bombers away since the one strike a week ago that hurt the BB Revenge. I have evacuated most of my surface fleet except for Revenge and one CA at Palenbang. These ships have almost repaired their flood damage and will be fleeing soon if KB is not on top of them.
It's good that KB is here and not in the South Pacific. I hope to make this battle last as long as possible so that I have time to prepare in other area's.
PM: My F4F's were defeated with surprising ease and I have pulled everything out to recover. He is flying 39 zero's out of Rabaul and 27 out of Lae and these were just too much for my two squadrens of F4F's. They are recovering in Austrailia and my 72 plane P39 group is readying its planes. I will wait until they are both at near full strength and then transfer them to PM in one block. With 100 planes flying I may be able to get a favorable air battle and shoot some of those Betties and Nells out of the sky.
I have 2 more big fighter groups 7-10 days out and the big base force unit headed to PM will arrive in about 17 days. If I can keep the airfield open until then it will be hard to close it. I think I have a good chance as long as KB is fighting around Java.
Java: KB has shown itself and it is bearing down on Java from the east. I still have a lot of aircraft in the fight but against all those zero's it's going to be tough to do anything. Last turn 14 Martins went in alone by accident and ran up against 119 zero's. I'm going to try a couple ambushes. I'm flying very little CAP on the east side of the island. Everything is on escort with the hope that with 50-60 fighters flying escort a couple of my 30-40 torpedo bombers at Soregeba might get through. As a second possibility I'm resting up my heavy bombers and at some point in the next few days I will send them in in mass to try and fight through the CAP. The odds are heavily in KB's favor as he can bomb my airfields and may well send in bombardment forces to damage my already inferior air force.
On the west side of Java I'm still flying heavy CAP and that has kept his bombers away since the one strike a week ago that hurt the BB Revenge. I have evacuated most of my surface fleet except for Revenge and one CA at Palenbang. These ships have almost repaired their flood damage and will be fleeing soon if KB is not on top of them.
It's good that KB is here and not in the South Pacific. I hope to make this battle last as long as possible so that I have time to prepare in other area's.
PM: My F4F's were defeated with surprising ease and I have pulled everything out to recover. He is flying 39 zero's out of Rabaul and 27 out of Lae and these were just too much for my two squadrens of F4F's. They are recovering in Austrailia and my 72 plane P39 group is readying its planes. I will wait until they are both at near full strength and then transfer them to PM in one block. With 100 planes flying I may be able to get a favorable air battle and shoot some of those Betties and Nells out of the sky.
I have 2 more big fighter groups 7-10 days out and the big base force unit headed to PM will arrive in about 17 days. If I can keep the airfield open until then it will be hard to close it. I think I have a good chance as long as KB is fighting around Java.
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RE: 3-4 Feb
I have sent in Wirraway's to PM and convert them over to Hurricane (I don't think Hurricane's have the range to get there). That is if you have enough Hurricane's to convert. Beauforts and Bostons make a good strike force to hit shipping around the southern tip of NG. They both have a good replacement rate to use for this battle of attrition. I usually convert the 8 plane squadrons of Hudson's to Beauforts and place them on Supply Transport over their home base to get their experience up into the 60's.
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The Hurricane's are already in heavy use in Java and India. I had two Aussi Buffalo groups upgrade a while back and 4 groups now in India.
I've done really well at using my fighters to kill his zero's. You get 50 P-40, 60 Hurricane, 60 P-39, and 90 F4F which is 260 good fighters per month. I'm sure he has upgraded his zero production quite a bit but I don't think he can produce that many.
Can he?????????----------production experts????????
In addition I produce hordes of lessor aircraft which are still useful to fly CAP over bases and keep the bombers away. Iv'e done well at using these fighters only against zero's flying at long range and so at this point my problem in Java is that I have way two many planes for my facilities.
But for now the fight at PM will be F4F's and P39's vs Zero's, Betties, and Nells. 37 of the P39's are ready and about 17 F4F''s. I want that number up too about 70 and 30 before flying them all into PM in one turn. He has one 27 plane squadren doing a sweep from Lae each turn. Then in the second phase come 39 zero's and about 60 Betties and Nell's. Against 100 of my fighters how do you think I will do??
I will fight as long as I can but I don't have very much aviation support at PM so I may not be able to sustain thesen fighters for long. But then I will pull back and regroup again. I have another group of 72 P39's and another of 72 P40E closing on Austrailia. The second phase will be to use these as I transport a large (270) aviation unit to PM. Then I'm there to stay.
Risks are:
1. That he sends KB to disrupt this. But KB seems occupied at Java and does not seem in a hurry. I think it will stay in that area because at this point if KB leaves then I have effective air parity in that area and my bombers will have a good time against his transports whenever they land.
2. He shifts in a bunch of fresh Betties and Nells that are currently working on Clark field and Singapore. This is possible as these aircraft could be moved around quickly. If he were to completely shut the runway then I would have no way to recover. But his current 60 bombers do not seem to be enough and he has had good weather for the last week. (bombing runs every single day.)
I've done really well at using my fighters to kill his zero's. You get 50 P-40, 60 Hurricane, 60 P-39, and 90 F4F which is 260 good fighters per month. I'm sure he has upgraded his zero production quite a bit but I don't think he can produce that many.
Can he?????????----------production experts????????
In addition I produce hordes of lessor aircraft which are still useful to fly CAP over bases and keep the bombers away. Iv'e done well at using these fighters only against zero's flying at long range and so at this point my problem in Java is that I have way two many planes for my facilities.
But for now the fight at PM will be F4F's and P39's vs Zero's, Betties, and Nells. 37 of the P39's are ready and about 17 F4F''s. I want that number up too about 70 and 30 before flying them all into PM in one turn. He has one 27 plane squadren doing a sweep from Lae each turn. Then in the second phase come 39 zero's and about 60 Betties and Nell's. Against 100 of my fighters how do you think I will do??
I will fight as long as I can but I don't have very much aviation support at PM so I may not be able to sustain thesen fighters for long. But then I will pull back and regroup again. I have another group of 72 P39's and another of 72 P40E closing on Austrailia. The second phase will be to use these as I transport a large (270) aviation unit to PM. Then I'm there to stay.
Risks are:
1. That he sends KB to disrupt this. But KB seems occupied at Java and does not seem in a hurry. I think it will stay in that area because at this point if KB leaves then I have effective air parity in that area and my bombers will have a good time against his transports whenever they land.
2. He shifts in a bunch of fresh Betties and Nells that are currently working on Clark field and Singapore. This is possible as these aircraft could be moved around quickly. If he were to completely shut the runway then I would have no way to recover. But his current 60 bombers do not seem to be enough and he has had good weather for the last week. (bombing runs every single day.)
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RE: 3-4 Feb
I have had some success over PM by using the P-39s at 70% CAP at 22,000 ft with P-40s and F-4Fs above them at 25,000 ft, also on 70% CAP. The P-39s seem to take the heat while the other planes do the killing, but it is necessary to suck him into an attrition battle.
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RE: 3-4 Feb
Hmmmm why so high?? The betties are bombing at 6,000 feet and I sure would like to kill some of these. I wonder if it would make a difference if I just flew the P39's at 10,000 and then the F4F's at 14000??
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RE: 3-4 Feb
ORIGINAL: moses
The Hurricane's are already in heavy use in Java and India. I had two Aussi Buffalo groups upgrade a while back and 4 groups now in India.
I've done really well at using my fighters to kill his zero's. You get 50 P-40, 60 Hurricane, 60 P-39, and 90 F4F which is 260 good fighters per month. I'm sure he has upgraded his zero production quite a bit but I don't think he can produce that many.
Can he?????????----------production experts????????
Simple answer: He can - absolutely no problem. You should expect a Japanese production of 300+ Zeros/month by now. But you can check this by yourself: Just position the mouse cursor about (for example) Tokyo and you'll see what is produced there (you'll not know if he halted production of a certain factory, but you'll be able to see his production cabability).
ORIGINAL: moses
In addition I produce hordes of lessor aircraft which are still useful to fly CAP over bases and keep the bombers away. Iv'e done well at using these fighters only against zero's flying at long range and so at this point my problem in Java is that I have way two many planes for my facilities.
But for now the fight at PM will be F4F's and P39's vs Zero's, Betties, and Nells. 37 of the P39's are ready and about 17 F4F''s. I want that number up too about 70 and 30 before flying them all into PM in one turn. He has one 27 plane squadren doing a sweep from Lae each turn. Then in the second phase come 39 zero's and about 60 Betties and Nell's. Against 100 of my fighters how do you think I will do??
I will fight as long as I can but I don't have very much aviation support at PM so I may not be able to sustain thesen fighters for long. But then I will pull back and regroup again. I have another group of 72 P39's and another of 72 P40E closing on Austrailia. The second phase will be to use these as I transport a large (270) aviation unit to PM. Then I'm there to stay.
P-39s a best used to escort bombers flying at 6,000 feet (because they fly and fight at 9,000 feet then and thus suffer no maneuver penalty).
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RE: 3-4 Feb
Because they do not climb so well and height gives an advantage in combat. I have tried lower and always got the feeling that my losses were heavier as a result. I routinely use a high CAP and in all my games have a very good kill to loss ratio even before better fighters turn up. P-39s low down are better planes, but it easier to dive to intercept than it is to climb...
In the game where I used the settings above the Zero units I was up against were useless within two weeks, whereas my units that were rotated in and out had some experienced aces and were much improved. The point is to mix your fighter force when using P-39s to get the best use out of them on the defence.
In the game where I used the settings above the Zero units I was up against were useless within two weeks, whereas my units that were rotated in and out had some experienced aces and were much improved. The point is to mix your fighter force when using P-39s to get the best use out of them on the defence.
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RE: 3-4 Feb
ORIGINAL: goodboyladdie
Because they do not climb so well and height gives an advantage in combat. I have tried lower and always got the feeling that my losses were heavier as a result. I routinely use a high CAP and in all my games have a very good kill to loss ratio even before better fighters turn up. P-39s low down are better planes, but it easier to dive to intercept than it is to climb...
In the game where I used the settings above the Zero units I was up against were useless within two weeks, whereas my units that were rotated in and out had some experienced aces and were much improved. The point is to mix your fighter force when using P-39s to get the best use out of them on the defence.
Well I guess in a couple days I'll try your method. I fairly confident that you are correct about dealing with the zero's. I'm just a little concerned that the bombers will slip by.
RE: 3-4 Feb
"You should expect a Japanese production of 300+ Zeros/month by now."
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh--runs in fear. [&:][&:]
Well I realize that theoreticaly you can build zero production to whatever you want. But is it practical for a player to build to 300 by early February??? I mean there are supply issues involved. You would need to adjust engine production. There are other things that need to be produced.
When I've played as Japan I've never even tried to go higher then 200. But even with my restrictive production changes supply starts to get short.
Maybe I'll have to play with this a bit in a test against the AI and see what can be produced. But I'm sure there are experts out there who might have thoughts as to what is possible and more importantly what is practical as Japan with regard to zero production.[:)]
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh--runs in fear. [&:][&:]
Well I realize that theoreticaly you can build zero production to whatever you want. But is it practical for a player to build to 300 by early February??? I mean there are supply issues involved. You would need to adjust engine production. There are other things that need to be produced.
When I've played as Japan I've never even tried to go higher then 200. But even with my restrictive production changes supply starts to get short.
Maybe I'll have to play with this a bit in a test against the AI and see what can be produced. But I'm sure there are experts out there who might have thoughts as to what is possible and more importantly what is practical as Japan with regard to zero production.[:)]
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castor troy
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RE: 3-4 Feb
ORIGINAL: moses
"You should expect a Japanese production of 300+ Zeros/month by now."
ahhhhhhhhhhhhh--runs in fear. [&:][&:]
Well I realize that theoreticaly you can build zero production to whatever you want. But is it practical for a player to build to 300 by early February??? I mean there are supply issues involved. You would need to adjust engine production. There are other things that need to be produced.
When I've played as Japan I've never even tried to go higher then 200. But even with my restrictive production changes supply starts to get short.
Maybe I'll have to play with this a bit in a test against the AI and see what can be produced. But I'm sure there are experts out there who might have thoughts as to what is possible and more importantly what is practical as Japan with regard to zero production.[:)]
There´s so much supply around that the only thing that hinders you to increase your Zeroe production to 500 within a month is the fact that each factory repairs only ONE plane production a day.
I would just check the map and you will have the answer. Gamey or not, this is information the Japanese player also gets of the Allied factories if he wants to. If Jwilkerson wanted to increase it then there are many more Zeroes produced then you would think.