help with drag plays

[hack153]

not sure why my QB isn't tossing it to the TE on the drag route. the TE has "look for pass" on his first command pt (not on his body point), and i tried making the QB wait for different periods of time before throwing. any help would be great. this isn't the first time i've had this problem with plays going into the middle of the field. it doesn't work right in practice vs no one either.

[nmleague]

How many players are in the QB read progression?  Try having the QB drop back and go right to the read progression without a wait command.  Have the TE set as the only read, dont give the TE a look for logic until he gets to a point about the OT opposite the side he started from.  In my playbooks I have plays with recievers using  drag routes, and I have seen them work.

[hack153]

i have 4 in the read progression. i'll give that a try. do you use a simular route as i have?

[Deft]

This is similar to my issue with all crossing routes.

[hack153]

it's good to know it's just not me.

[nmleague]

Its seems that very seldom does the QB get to the 4th read in the progression, most of the times its going to be thrown to 1 or 2.  I have plays with a slot and SE to one side and the TE to the other, will have the slot and SE run patterns on that side and will have the TE drag accross to the curl/flat side under the slot and SE.  Also have play action passes going toward the TE with the TE dragging to the backside.

One thing, I have noticed several people post that they use the wait command once the QB has dropped back, I dont think any of my plays use a wait logic for the QB, I have him go right into the read progression. As well after the pass logic many times he has a move to next point logic. Not sure it works but the plan is for him to roll to one side as he is going through his reads.

[Deltadog]

I have noticed that on some of your college plays where the first receiver in the read progression goes down and out to the left, the quarterback waits until this receiver runs out of bounds and then throws to him instead of going to the second receiver in the progression once the first become ineligable. I am not saying that this is a problem with the play, but may be something that needs resolving in the game.

[nmleague]

Yes I agree, depending on the ball location some out patterns will end up with the receiver out of bounds.  I created the plays using the center of the field, if the ball is on a hash mark out patterns can only be run to the wide side, if not the R goes out of bounds and the QB still throws to them.

[Marauders]

If the quarterback goes through his progression and looks at a receiver that does not yet have the look for pass logic set to true, the quarterback will bypass the receiver. 
 
If the quarterback has a deep progression, the order is important, as the quarterback will throw to a receiver when even close to being open.
 
If you have a play with clearing routes, make sure the timing is right for the receiver underneath, and make sure that receiver is the primary receiver.  With normal reads, I don't use many wait states, because blitzes come pretty fast, but in the case, a wait state often must be used for timing.
 
One may want to run a deep route or back in the flats as a secondary receiver just in case there is triple coverage underneath.
 

[Marauders]

I have noticed that on some of your college plays where the first receiver in the read progression goes down and out to the left, the quarterback waits until this receiver runs out of bounds and then throws to him instead of going to the second receiver in the progression once the first become ineligable.

... depending on the ball location some out patterns will end up with the receiver out of bounds.  I created the plays using the center of the field, if the ball is on a hash mark out patterns can only be run to the wide side, if not the R goes out of bounds and the QB still throws to them.

 
In general, if a play has routes that stay inside the thumbnail view, this isn't a problem.

[Great White]

ORIGINAL: Marauders

If the quarterback goes through his progression and looks at a receiver that does not yet have the look for pass logic set to true, the quarterback will bypass the receiver. 

If the quarterback has a deep progression, the order is important, as the quarterback will throw to a receiver when even close to being open.

[font="Courier New"]Why would not The FB Gaming QBs simply know the plays' pass routes and know when the Receivers will turn to look for the passes? [&:]
Then like real good professional QBs and great CFB QBs, throw the football before the receivers reached the look for pass logic?

The only time real QBs should bypass receivers is if the have exceeded their ability to get the football their (play calling coach's fault) and coverages of the defenses make it too risky.[/font]

[Marauders]

GW, the quarterback leads the receiver, and there are timing passes in the game.
 
If the receiver does not have "Look For Pass: True" logic set, then the quarterback will generally not throw to him.  I have seen the ball thrown to receivers without the logic set, but the pass isn't caught. 
 
"Look For Pass:" logic is set when the receiver begins to look for the pass in his route.  It isn't when he turns his head to the ball as the ball is in the air.  If a receiver is blazing downfield and not looking for a pass when the quarterback gets to him in the progression, and the timing of the play is off, then the play isn't designed well.
 
- Marauders

[Great White]

[font="courier new"]Marauders[/font][font="courier new"],[/font]
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[font="courier new"]              That is a lot more reassuring to read[:)]; however, the below I would hope is only used to safely dump the pass off to the area around the receiver, for incompetition[&:][/font]

If the receiver does not have "Look For Pass: True" logic set, then the quarterback will generally not throw to him.  I have seen the ball thrown to receivers without the logic set, but the pass isn't caught.

 

[Marauders]

If the receiver does not have "Look For Pass: True" logic set, then the quarterback will generally not throw to him. I have seen the ball thrown to receivers without the logic set, but the pass isn't caught.

I would hope is only used to safely dump the pass off to the area aroun the receiver, for incompetition

As far as I know, the only time that happens is with a timing pass in which a receiver does not look for the ball.

There may be other times, but I haven't noted them.

[Great White]

ORIGINAL: Marauders

If the receiver does not have "Look For Pass: True" logic set, then the quarterback will generally not throw to him. I have seen the ball thrown to receivers without the logic set, but the pass isn't caught.

I would hope is only used to safely dump the pass off to the area around the receiver, for incompetition

As far as I know, the only time that happens is with a timing pass in which a receiver does not look for the ball.

[font="Courier New"]Great Point, I forgot about that possibilty.[:)][/font]

There may be other times, but I haven't noted them.

[font="Courier New"]I sure as heck hope[X(], the better QBs do

safely dump the pass off to the area around the receiver, for incompetition

; other wise, it probably would be one of the reasons I read all these MF players complaining about too many Interceptions.[8|][/font]

[Marauders]

not sure why my QB isn't tossing it to the TE on the drag route. the TE has "look for pass" on his first command pt (not on his body point),

Is the Look For Pass: True logic before the Move To: Next Point logic?

Any Move To: logic is the last logic in any logic point. Anything after it will not be run, as the AI is already moving on to the next point.

[hack153]

fixed. thanks.