IE7 Or Better?!!

[LarryP]

The specifications require Internet Explorer 7 or better. What for? [&:]

I stopped using Internet Explorer ANY version as they all are gigantic security threat holes (6 and 7). Plus buggy as a tropical forest. I went with Mozilla a year ago in replacement of IE.

With IE on any security settings I constantly received spyware and tracking cookies PLUS other crud. [:@]

With Mozilla I have not received even ONE anything! It's like a night and day difference. [:D]

The game looks wonderful but I will not go back to any version of IE if it really needs it to play. [&:]

[Erik Rutins]

Larry,

It's not the game itself that requires IE 7.0, but the other applications (Scenario Editor, Campaign Editor, Random Battle Generator, Random Campaign Generator). The game itself works fine without any internet browser. However, these other pieces are very important parts of the "whole package" that make the game what it is and they were built using certain parts of Windows that come with IE 7.0.

Note that you don't nee to have IE 7.0 as your default browser, you don't have to use it at all, you just need to have it installed. For what it's worth, I find it to be stable and have had no problems with it. We use it on all our office systems without an issue. We also use Firefox (the latest beta of FF3 is quite nice), but we found IE 7.0 to be a big improvement over IE 6.0.

You already have some version of IE installed on your system since it comes with Windows. I've found the latest updated IE 7.0 to be more secure and more stable than earlier versions. Again, you don't have to use it, you just need it installed so that Windows has the components that come with it.

With all that said, we're looking into whether we can add IE 6.0 support to at least the Random Battle and Random Campaign Generators.

Regards,

- Erik

[koiosworks]

The game itself does not use anything related to browsers. You do not have to have any browser at all on your machine to play the actual game

However, the TOOLS do require IE7. The tools (which allow things like creating random campaigns, editing maps etc) were developed using the latest Microsoft products - in this case IE7.

[Erik Rutins]

Yes - and it's very important to understand that the tools do not require you to USE IE 7.0 as your browser. It simply needs some of the IE7 Windows components. Install it, never use it, that's fine. The tools do not "launch" IE, they just use some of the abilities it adds to Windows.

Regards,

- Erik

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

Yes - and it's very important to understand that the tools do not require you to USE IE 7.0 as your browser. It simply needs some of the IE7 Windows components. Install it, never use it, that's fine. The tools do not "launch" IE, they just use some of the abilities it adds to Windows.

Regards,

- Erik

That's excellent news then. I can handle that. However, I am surprised that you have never had an issue with version 7. Do you scan for spyware and tracking cookies?

I had version 7 installed and the Tabs locked it up constantly and it still had security issues like version 6. That's odd you have had no issues... [&:]

[Stridor]

Larry,

There have been several performance updates to IE7 since it was first released.

Maybe you can try giving it another go?

However as IE7 can't live on the same machine as IE6 then if IE6 is your main browser (and not FF or opera) then don't upgrade.

To those people who use FF/opera/safari then all you need do is have IE7 installed, the tools don't need the browser to be open, they use some of the capabilties of the IE7 render engine.

I am looking at ways of making some parts of the tools which currently require IE7 to work with IE6.

Cheers

S.

[LarryP]

ORIGINAL: Stridor

Larry,

There have been several performance updates to IE7 since it was first released.

Maybe you can try giving it another go?

However as IE7 can't live on the same machine as IE6 then if IE6 is your main browser (and not FF or opera) then don't upgrade.

To those people who use FF/opera/safari then all you need do is have IE7 installed, the tools don't need the browser to be open, they use some of the capabilties of the IE7 render engine.

I am looking at ways of making some parts of the tools which currently require IE7 to work with IE6.

Cheers

S.

I am so happy with Mozilla that I would never consider IE of any version now. I have security options and tools that put IE to shame. Plus the Tabbed screens work much better than IE7 did. There are many other reasons too, but Mozilla just has IE beat in all categories for me. [:)]

[ravinhood]

I really love how Erik et al try to blow smoke over the fact that the RMG and RCG are TOOLS hahahah It's ALL part of the DAMN GAME I don't give a damn what you call it. The $39.99 INCLUDES EVERYTHING on that DISC and EVERY GD thing on that disc should work without having to have some REQUIRED GD IE 7.0. That's the facts jacks. So, quit trying to coverup YOUR mistake by saying it's the TOOLS that don't work and not the game, they are all intertwined into the WHOLE package. It was BAD DESIGN DECISION and nothing more. Erik you cannot sit there thinking EVERYBODY OUT HERE Has IE 7.0 I can't even believe you think 1/2 of the people out here have IE 7.0. You know as well as we do that everything NEW MS does is crap out of the gate. IE 7.0 and VISTA both. It doesn't matter if it works for YOU are YOU the one BUYING the game?? You're going to lose 1/2 your sales because of this "mark my words".

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
I really love how Erik et al try to blow smoke over the fact that the RMG and RCG are TOOLS hahahah It's ALL part of the DAMN GAME I don't give a damn what you call it. The $39.99 INCLUDES EVERYTHING on that DISC and EVERY GD thing on that disc should work without having to have some REQUIRED GD IE 7.0. That's the facts jacks. So, quit trying to coverup YOUR mistake by saying it's the TOOLS that don't work and not the game, they are all intertwined into the WHOLE package. It was BAD DESIGN DECISION and nothing more. Erik you cannot sit there thinking EVERYBODY OUT HERE Has IE 7.0 I can't even believe you think 1/2 of the people out here have IE 7.0. You know as well as we do that everything NEW MS does is crap out of the gate. IE 7.0 and VISTA both. It doesn't matter if it works for YOU are YOU the one BUYING the game?? You're going to lose 1/2 your sales because of this "mark my words".

Chill out Ravinhood, please. I said above "these other pieces are very important parts of the "whole package" that make the game what it is" - I guess you missed that part? Your rant on this is honestly pointless, especially given that we're already looking to see if we can add backwards compatibility for IE 6.0 based on the requests of a few customers.

Regards,

- Erik

[WhiteOwl]

Just my 2 cents here, but having a bit of trouble understanding the general dummy spit this is causing. No one is forcing you to use IE7, just to install it. I'm a computer geek/software developer, but really from the Java world and not so much Windoze programming, but to the best of my knowledge, IE7 will not have anything running in the background or affect your PC performance in any way unless you are actually running it, or one of its components in a different piece of software. Also, to be honest, it's not exactly the worst piece of software MS ever produced, so all this doom's day depiction of what will happen to your PC once you install IE7 is a bit over the top. Just chill and suck it up, it's not exactly starforce you know...

[ravinhood]

To me it's the same principle as having to use STARFORCE or SECUROM some of these games have. It's something I "don't want on my computer" is that so hard to understand? I boycotted any and all games using/requiring Starforce and Securom and you've seen what happened to Starforce. I don't even want IE 7.0 taking up space on my hard drive. I can use that for something else. I use IE 6.0 also, so, there's no way I can just download IE 7.0 and have it just sit there it will overwrite 6.0. So, speak when you know what you're talking about WhiteOwl you obviously don't in my case.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood
To me it's the same principle as having toe  use STARFORCE or SECUROM some of these games have. It's something I "don't want on my computer" is that so hard to understand? I boycotted any and all games using/requiring Starforce and Securom and you've seen what happened to Starforce. I don't even want IE 7.0 taking up space on my hard drive. I can use that for something else. I use IE 6.0 also, so, there's no way I can just download IE 7.0 and have it just sit there it will overwrite 6.0. So, speak when you know what you're talking about WhiteOwl you obviously don't in my case.

You've said enough, Ravinhood. We hear you, but you're taking a legitimate request for backwards compatibility and taking it way too far. Comparing IE7 to Starforce is just plain ridiculous.

Regards,

- Erik

[ravinhood]

No more rediculous than requiring it in the first place and not making 6.0 the most common denominator.

[WhiteOwl]

Ravinhood,

I apologize for not grasping the severity of the situation this causes you, no doubt it is almost on the same magnitude of severity as the renamed victory levels. As an aside though, if you really are using IE6 and not just saying so to justify your dummy spit, then I have nothing but good things to say about IE7 as it compares to its predecessor.

Cheers

[Prince of Eckmühl]

IE7 and Firefox peacefully coexist on the system that I'm composing this post on.

I browse and shop with Firefox and use IE7 when I come across something that DEMANDS IE7.

If anyone is really wigged-out about IE7, download HIJACK THIS, and nuke the apps registry entries.

Apart from those few items, there's not a hell of a lot that distinguishes the newer browser from the older.

PoE (aka ivanmoe)

[Stridor]

Ravinhood,

I am making changes to the code base to try and support IE6.

IE7 made a lot of rendering improvements over IE6 which I make use of for the editor/RBG/RCG.

I am sorry this has caused so much of a problem for you. Hopefully I will have a new build out to Erik in the next few days which can use the IE6 engine.

S.

[ravinhood]

Thanks Stridor. I'm sorry I'm overly upset because of this. I don't get enthused over a game often, most of them are toys nowadays and hardly anything to write about. If you notice I have hardly posted in any other of the game threads both released and upcoming except this one. It was just too much of a shock that it needs IE 7.0 to not go balistic for awhile. I'm even asking around about Firefox and Mozilla to perhaps change over to another browser.

I'm the kind that gets comfortable with ONE type of thing and it was a long time before I ever upgraded to 6.0 from 5.0 as well. MS just does not put out programs that are PERFECT yah know? I was right on about Vista look at the flack over that. MS is working on another OS as we speak Window 7 and I had the same experience with IE 7.0 as I did when I first tried IE 6.0

But, if it's any consolation Paradox got flamed as well because IT REQUIRES the MOST UP TO DATE Directx version of at least Nov07 (I downloaded the Mar08 one, even posted it on the main discussion page for others) for EU:Rome to work without a hitch. Of course Johan says it will be in the full version of EU:ROME, but, it should have been in the DEMO as well imho.

I just can't believe the SLOPPY work and deliverance of games nowadays. Just sloppy to me or bad design decisions without even thinking about the consequences. I'm just one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it types". I didn't upgrade to XP until I absolutely had to and then I went kicking and screaming about it. Same with graphics cards and hard drives and mother boards and all the rest of the "just made to sell bs" out there. All of it drops in price in a very short time and just like some of the latest video cards there's nothing really out there that even uses half the features/power of them. But, those $500 video cards are still out there "made to sell to suckers". lol

Even on the main page I'm still telling people to buy it. I still think it's going to put CM series to shame. It's just not going to do it for me until the IE thing is fixed. I'm not into scenarios or playing pre-made things I wanted this game STRICTLY for the RBG and the RCG nothing more nothing less. That's what I like about it most.

Of course the AI needs to be challenging as well, but, I've played the Tin Soldiers series so I know what KOIOS/Deride can do with the AI already. I really have no doubt that the hardest level of difficulty is going to be just that and I will be satisfied with the AI there.

Thanks again at least you didn't act like Erik and get all pissy cause I got all pissy. lol I'm just one of those upset prospective customers and I have a right to be pissy.

[helm123456789]

ORIGINAL: ravinhood

Thanks Stridor. I'm sorry I'm overly upset because of this. I don't get enthused over a game often, most of them are toys nowadays and hardly anything to write about. If you notice I have hardly posted in any other of the game threads both released and upcoming except this one. It was just too much of a shock that it needs IE 7.0 to not go balistic for awhile. I'm even asking around about Firefox and Mozilla to perhaps change over to another browser.

I'm the kind that gets comfortable with ONE type of thing and it was a long time before I ever upgraded to 6.0 from 5.0 as well. MS just does not put out programs that are PERFECT yah know? I was right on about Vista look at the flack over that. MS is working on another OS as we speak Window 7 and I had the same experience with IE 7.0 as I did when I first tried IE 6.0

But, if it's any consolation Paradox got flamed as well because IT REQUIRES the MOST UP TO DATE Directx version of at least Nov07 (I downloaded the Mar08 one, even posted it on the main discussion page for others) for EU:Rome to work without a hitch. Of course Johan says it will be in the full version of EU:ROME, but, it should have been in the DEMO as well imho.

I just can't believe the SLOPPY work and deliverance of games nowadays. Just sloppy to me or bad design decisions without even thinking about the consequences. I'm just one of those "if it ain't broke, don't fix it types". I didn't upgrade to XP until I absolutely had to and then I went kicking and screaming about it. Same with graphics cards and hard drives and mother boards and all the rest of the "just made to sell bs" out there. All of it drops in price in a very short time and just like some of the latest video cards there's nothing really out there that even uses half the features/power of them. But, those $500 video cards are still out there "made to sell to suckers". lol

Even on the main page I'm still telling people to buy it. I still think it's going to put CM series to shame. It's just not going to do it for me until the IE thing is fixed. I'm not into scenarios or playing pre-made things I wanted this game STRICTLY for the RBG and the RCG nothing more nothing less. That's what I like about it most.

Of course the AI needs to be challenging as well, but, I've played the Tin Soldiers series so I know what KOIOS/Deride can do with the AI already. I really have no doubt that the hardest level of difficulty is going to be just that and I will be satisfied with the AI there.

Thanks again at least you didn't act like Erik and get all pissy cause I got all pissy. lol I'm just one of those upset prospective customers and I have a right to be pissy.

Buddy you just need to buy yourself a nice console and be done with computers since you seem scared sh_tless about any kind of change. I believe if things worked the way you wanted we would be running DirectX5 on a 386 and still staring at 19 inch CRT's. I'm running Vista and guess what not a problem, but how can that be everyone says I should be having problems. And damn I also have one of those $500 video cards that works with DirectX10....But I guess I'm a sucker there wanting to move away from Directx5.

And guess what. I dont want IE6, Firefox or any other browser on my machine. Darn I guess that makes me the reverse side of that coin.

Now where is that damn ignore button!

[ravinhood]

Yup it just makes you an IGMO. Also, I'm pretty sure you're just another AOLer as well.

[helm123456789]

Thats rich coming from you.  Now is there any thing else that I can clear up for you.

Found that ignore button....Goodbye Ravin