Equipment count discrepancies?

[Lieste]

Viewing the AAR for tut #1, I notice that several of the German 'general' tabs indicate more guns than are present in the E&S screen.

For example the sole survivors at 18:01 D2 are elements of I.54 FlaK coy:
Gen tab:
37 pers
10 non-AFV
1 gun

E&S tab:
10 3t truck
34 KAR 98
2 MP40
1 MG34

The 13th IG coy Inf Regt 433 also tends to show one more tube in the summary than is present in E&S at D2 18:01. The mortars and AT batteries seem to show the same values in both places.

[Arjuna]

Are these enemy intel reports or friendly units?

[Lieste]

Yes, but the 'actual' state at the end of play. The values of E&S and summary should still match though, even if the unit is misidentified, and equipment holdings are incomplete, I would have thought?

[Lieste]

More -

There seems to be a possible error with the number of eliminated guns also - A recent scenario had 38 'guns' in the German force, which after 36 hours was down to only a single 8cm mortar. The loss reported was 36 guns though - perhaps this missing gun was in a disbanded unit and was culled as there was no other system of this type in the receiving unit? If so this makes sense, from a functional POV, but it is unintentionally misleading and is incomplete (even after the elimination of FOW in the AAR).

Worse, I found that during the AAR I am unable to return to a correct version of a saved game - sometimes this is due to the elimination of all on-map units (either by friendly exit, or by destruction of enemy forces) in both cases the saved game cannot be reloaded even though the scenario is in the AAR/endgame state. However, more troubling is the apparent disappearance of a number of units (6 out of 10 in the recent AAR) that were in poor morale and IMO near surrender as they were within the footprint of my assaulting Brigade - none of the killed units were clickable, and these 6 OPFOR units were not present on the AAR review map. They were of course present (and/or functional) during AAR review immediately following the conclusion of the mission, and the fault only relates to returning to analyse the aftermath.

[Prince of Eckmühl]

ORIGINAL: Lieste

Yes, but the 'actual' state at the end of play. The values of E&S and summary should still match though, even if the unit is misidentified, and equipment holdings are incomplete, I would have thought?

Are you examining your forces are those of the AI?

[Lieste]

Well, both.

However the errors probably only arise in the actual full-intel strengths of the enemy forces. The absence of entire enemy units from the subsequently loaded scenario is double-plus-ungood though... I suspect it is only arising in the AAR/mission end state saves, but it would be very serious if it could arise elsewhen.

Look at the end state image:



The four units within the extended footprint of my brigade are not present when this AAR is reloaded for a second look - 3.433, 5.433, 6.433, 7.433  (427 men) (Also possibly 8.433 Mor Pl, but I am unsure off the top of my head whether this is culled - 17 men, 1 8cm mortar)
The original end-state had six units within this "Rhodista quadrilateral" which vanished on a second inspection so the end-state of the AAR had to use a second run from within the last hour to obtain the consistent AAR and unit-state images.

While mentioning units not visible in the end-state, it would be really nice to have access in the AAR to the General and E&S for units that successfully advanced or withdrew from the map, both for player and AI units. Currently they appear to be culled from the OB and only get a brief mention as 'own-side' APERS/ARM/BOMB points exited for the victory location.

[Lieste]

I do of course concede that yes isn't a productive answer to an either/or question <doh!>

I can only blame an extended bout of flu/chest infections lack of adequate sleep and the resulting sluggishness of thought...