Benjamin Butler's Armored Train Helps the Union Quell Unrest in Baltimore ???

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Benjamin Butler's Armored Train Helps the Union Quell Unrest in Baltimore ???

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Guys,

This is sheer fantasy and never happened.

1. These were not "armored trains", but just some cars pulled by horses - which was common in Baltimore.
Trains were not permitted to move through the center of the city, and this ordinance forced connecting passengers to reach the terminal of their departure by some other means. Sometimes, rail cars full of travelers were hitched to a horse and pulled there on rails laid in the streets, and at other times the passengers were left to make their own way to the station.


2. "Armored trains" were never used to quell any unrest during the American Civil War.
3. There was no "armored train" unit formed and then driven off to battle.
4. Benjamin Butler had no association with any "armored train".

:lol: :lol:

https://www.battlefields.org/learn/arti ... -civil-war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_riot_of_1861
https://userpages.umbc.edu/~jamie/html/ ... _riot.html
On April 19, 1861, only five days after the surrender of Fort Sumter, the situation in Baltimore exploded into violence. The 6th Massachusetts Infantry arrived at the President Street Station and began the process of changing trains. The cars were disconnected and pulled by horses down Pratt Street to Camden Station. As the process continued, a crowd gathered and with each moment it became more and more unruly. All but two of the cars had been transferred when the crowd blocked the tracks with timbers and anchors.

The two cars returned to the President Street Station and the soldiers disembarked to the howls and jeers of the mob. The troops then marched back down Pratt Street, led by a man carrying a rebel flag, and followed by the mob. At Gay Street some of the mob began tearing up paving stones and throwing them at the soldiers. Other men were seen brandishing pistols and muskets. Someone fired a shot.

The frightened officers ordered the troops to fire into the crowd. This angered the mob further, and they began to attack the soldiers with considerable ferocity. Citizens threw stones and bricks and fired shots at the soldiers. The soldiers returned the fire. Rioters, soldiers, and innocent bystanders fell dead and wounded. The Mayor bravely attempted to stop the battle without success. Then the police arrived.

Marshal Kane put his policemen between the two groups and escorted the troops to Camden Station, where they boarded the train and left Baltimore. The Pratt Street Riot was over. The riot resulted in the first casualty list of the war. Eight rioters, one innocent bystander and three soldiers were killed, twenty four soldiers and an unknown number of civilians wounded.

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Re: Benjamin Butler's Armored Train Helps the Union Quell Unrest in Baltimore ???

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This event should be renamed -

"Devs really like 'Armored Trains' and made this event to justify creating one."
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Re: Benjamin Butler's Armored Train Helps the Union Quell Unrest in Baltimore ???

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Actually, this did happen ;)

From Ironclads on Rails: American Civil War Railroad Weapons by Alan R. Koenig, pp55-56:
Armed trains participated in important missions from the very start of the conflict. The first recorded use of an armed train occurred when General Benjamin Butler sought to re-establish Federal authority in turbulent Baltimore, which was vital to maintain overland communications with the national capital in Washington. Secessionists had already burned bridges north of Baltimore and pulled rails along the Annapolis and Elkridge Railway. Undaunted, Butler ordered his men to rebuild the railroad near Annapolis on the morning of 24 April 1861. Upon the Eighth Massachusetts Regiment’s arrival at Annapolis Station, the Federals found some rolling stock and one disabled engine. By a peculiar coincidence, the man who had built that particular engine recognized his handiwork, and he soon repaired it. The Federals then formed an armed train, placing canister-loaded howitzers on flatcars, and proceeded for three or four miles when they found that the track was pulled up. The Massachusetts men scavenged rails from the bushes and sidetracks, and used joists of timber to repair the tracks. At this point the locomotive was uncoupled from the car, probably because the makeshift track repairs would not support its weight. The men nevertheless pushed the cars forward by hand. They placed track repair materials in baggage cars, and the cars at the front and rear of the assemblage carried howitzers with guards and gunners. A car in the middle carried medical supplies and the infirm. Skirmishers scouted ahead and to the sides of the force; in the event of an attack they planned to rally around the artillery cars. The force proceeded at a rate of about a mile an hour, repairing tracks and bridges as
they went. The men must have been accomplished engineers, since one bridge at Millersville was twenty feet high and sixteen feet long. With the help of an armed train, Federals occupied Baltimore and consolidated communications with the capital at a critical time.
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Does he cite any references? As that account is not validated any place else in the numerous accounts of the Baltimore Riots in 1861.

In fact, in contradicts other accounts of "armored train" usage in the American Civil War.

I assert that passage is fictional and did not occur.
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The footnotes for the passage give the following:
Lieutenant Bunting commanded one of the howitzers. Harper's. 5, 229 (May 4, 1861), 295 & 5, 231 (May 18, 1861), 317

The paper as a whole is about 300 pages long with a 20 page bibliography, much too long to copy here. Well worth the read if you're interested in the topic.

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I did find credible newspaper references here, which amounted to speculation of fanciful armored Rail Road Artillery:

https://civilwartalk.com/threads/armore ... ar.143419/
No doubt it would.....this seems a good example of the quality of Civil War journalistic speculation, like some of the fanciful descriptions of ironclad warships.
But these newpaper reports of "plans in the works" in 1862 at the earliest, not April, 1861 .

To use that contraption you cited above in the heart of Baltimore in 1861 is complete fiction. Would horses even be able to pull it through Baltimore, even if it did exist?

It appears what you referenced above was in fact a 1995 Dissertation from the University of Nebraska - not a peer-reviewed source.

While dissertations are definitely scholarly and are reviewed and edited before publication, they do not go through a peer-review process, and thus, aren't considered peer-reviewed sources.
Even the author presents less than thorough references in his opening introduction to his paper.
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Yet there is nothing in the Official Records of the War of the Rebellion to support his claims regarding the Baltimore Riots.

(see - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... 1up&seq=23 )
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BiteNibbleChomp wrote: Fri Jul 19, 2024 1:41 pm The footnotes for the passage give the following:
Lieutenant Bunting commanded one of the howitzers. Harper's. 5, 229 (May 4, 1861), 295 & 5, 231 (May 18, 1861), 317

The paper as a whole is about 300 pages long with a 20 page bibliography, much too long to copy here. Well worth the read if you're interested in the topic.

- BNC
Found the references to "Harper's Weekly", a sensationalized Civil War magazine that published "less than credible" accounts of unnamed sources. Was not published or distributed in the South and served as a major source of Northern recruiting propaganda during the Civil War. The Harper's Weekly illustrations were so effective that Pres. Abraham Lincoln called the artist “our best recruiting sergeant.”

May 4th:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!ApomLrihV-7hgpcg2-o ... Q?e=wXGFdA

May 18th:
https://1drv.ms/b/s!ApomLrihV-7hgpch2og ... A?e=tCah86
(this one is not even a reference to the Baltimore Riots, but is regarding Annapolis - not "armored trains", but a "howitzer placed on a railroad car".)

Appears that the University of Nebraska will let you publish anything in a dissertation without validating the content. :roll:
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I spent several hours reviewing Harper's Weekly 1861.
(see - https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... 800&seq=11 )

It was an interesting read. It was like reading a Civil War version of the "National Enquirer", but with better maps and illustrations.

1. Even though Gen. "Spoons" Butler is widely regarded as a mediocre general at best, Harper's Weekly lavashed him with ample praise. (that was enough for me to recognize this was not a credible source to use as the sole reference of any academic or peer-reviewed publication)

2. If the mythical "armored trains" were used in quelling the April 1861 Baltimore Riots, how could Harper's Weekly not publish an illustration of it? I mean, look at the sales that would generate!

But the best that could be provided is as follows (still looking for any illustration of an 'armored train' in Harper's Weekly):
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The following is another example of the content typical of "Harper's Weekly", which makes it difficult to find their content all that credible.
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"All hail to Butler!" - Harper's Weekly

A full page+ article dedicted to his promotion to Major General.

(admittedly a big fan of Reynolds and various other Union commanders.... but Butler? Seriously?)
(getting off-topic, I admit, but Harper's Weekly is not really citable material for anything important)

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