New DW: Legends Public Beta v1.7.0.2 Available!

[dejagore]

any ETA on v1.7.0.3 ?

[WiZz]

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[Bingeling]

I want to play my mature game, but as it lags bad I am waiting for the next beta patch. What I have noticed though is freighters with full holds, and trade links disappearing between some colonies. I am unsure if this is new or not, as my colonies are rather mature, and probably trade less. But it could be a freighter improvement showing.

I have been "bitten" by the new alertness to attacks when I want to for instance move my military ship away from the threat to wait for incoming forces. It turned right back at the enemy [:)]. Not a bad thing, curing one thing (lazy ships that are not micro managed) does of course also affect old micro management habits.

One issue that is still present is poor basic survival strategies from fleets, but I am not sure if this really is easily curable or not. I had a 43 ship fleet of cruisers and carriers with 9000 strength jump into a gas cloud with a massive kaltor swarm. They don't really manage to do this well, even if they sport titan beams and the nice end game torpedy (both with no improvement tech). They lack alertness to the monster nearby, and sit idle or focus on one too far away. When I micro manage them (a bit hard with 43 ships spreading out), I can manage to save the situation with only 3 damaged cruisers, but I of course employ a very hard "closest first" priority.

This was a hydrogen cloud withing the sphere of influence of the former capital of a powerful AI empire (Gizurean). Now it is the former capital of a still powerful AI empire. I think the AI would never successfully clear such a nest, and I guess that even my rather powerful 43 ship fleet would lose quite a few ships with no intervention. And the AI does not build fleets like that at this stage.

So the main question is if one could manage to introduce "close range" alertness even to enemies (and wildlife) not currently attacking the ship without sending the computer running the game to its knees.

[HectorOfTroy]

Adam, maybe your colony maxes out at 178mil.

[adamsolo]

ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Adam, maybe your colony maxes out at 178mil.

No Hector, the planet is not that small. Part of the problem was that I had a -20% Colony Happiness leader. Great leader hum. Although I like to play with what I've got I think this penalty is probably too big, for a leader. For a colony governor it's ok, it only affects that particular colony, but the entire empire with -20% colony happiness, ouch! Maybe it should start with -2% or -5%. I fired the leader, of course. Then a junior one appeared, oh well, I guess it was my fault not to fire myself faster.

Can I ask if you find space ports taking too much time to build. My first small space port can take up to 8 years to finish It's too long no? I have all the goods it needs, it's just slow because there are <200 million people there. I find this a bit too much [:(]

\Edit Now that I think about it, it's kinda cool that the space port takes 8 years to build because it probably is a realistic number, but games last what in average? 20, 30 years? Maybe sp construction time should be improved? I have no problem with colony ships building being slow, that's cool, but space ports, boy ... And if you consider that a constructor builds a massive starbase in 3 months why can't I use a constructor to build a space port?

[HectorOfTroy]

Yeah the ports take longer to build. I remember Erik saying somwhere that that is a new feature.

Few times I lacked some resources as well, but once I got them spaceports were built.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it at all. I just need to plan a bit more ahead ( fleet to protect the colony, maybe agas mine nearby, etc).

[adamsolo]

ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Yeah the ports take longer to build. I remember Erik saying somwhere that that is a new feature.

Few times I lacked some resources as well, but once I got them spaceports were built.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it at all. I just need to plan a bit more ahead ( fleet to protect the colony, maybe agas mine nearby, etc).

Yes, I get that, I also don't have a big problem with slow space port construction, the problem is that it doesn't make sense for a massive starbase to be built in outer space in 3 months and a small space port to take 8 years to build near a colony. It's just me here that finds this odd?

[HectorOfTroy]

ORIGINAL: adamsolo

ORIGINAL: HectorOfTroy

Yeah the ports take longer to build. I remember Erik saying somwhere that that is a new feature.

Few times I lacked some resources as well, but once I got them spaceports were built.

Personally, I don't have a problem with it at all. I just need to plan a bit more ahead ( fleet to protect the colony, maybe agas mine nearby, etc).

Yes, I get that, I also don't have a big problem with slow space port construction, the problem is that it doesn't make sense for a massive starbase to be built in outer space in 3 months and a small space port to take 8 years to build near a colony. It's just me here that finds this odd?

Hmm 8 years is too long. I'm pretty sure mine were built quicker then that.

[Krippakrull]

So, is there any way to go back to the 1.7.0.1 patch? Seems like it is deleted from the member download area. :/

[WoodMan]

Re: Population Growth/Migration

It is slow in DW, but it suits the game.&nbsp; I start taxing at 2 Billion population, it takes an hour or two into the game before I get a decent set of colonies up and running at a taxable level.&nbsp; However, considering with research on the slowest speed you will have only advanced 1 or 2 techs up a single tree in this time, its just about right.

Any increase would move away from the 4x style and into a more RTS, like Sins of a Solar Empire Style.&nbsp; I understand some people might want to play a faster game, but I like my games to go on for hundreds of years if possible.&nbsp; I don't want all my colonies to max out way before the tech tree does, at the moment pop growth is just about right for slowest slider tech, if anything its a bit too fast.

I would fully support a slider to regulate the pop growth of planets so that those who want to play faster games can, but I would be very disappointed if they increased migration/pop growth for a third time when I was happy with it to begin with.&nbsp; So, an option to increase by say 50% or 100% in the new game screen would be fine, because I can keep it how I like it while those who want a faster game can speed it up.

Current problem is with research on slow like I enjoy it, I would have an end-game empire with an early game tech which causes all sorts of problems and breaks the immersion too.

So once again: If you increase population or migration growth further make it an option in the new game screen so those of us who like to play at a 4x speed rather than a RTS speed can carry on having fun.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Krippakrull
So, is there any way to go back to the 1.7.0.1 patch? Seems like it is deleted from the member download area. :/

The new 1.7.0.3 will be available this morning. Hang in there. [8D]

Regards,

- Erik

[solops]

Woodman: I agree. I set R&D around 700 to 900 and set out for a long game. Development means something. Losing a good planet or research station, especially unexpectedly to a Silvermist, can be a catastrophy, not just a "ho hum, I'll replace that quick enough." Mt passenger liners tend to be big and fast, always with the latest engines/warp drive and LOTS of fuel.

[Shark7]

There are plenty of us that prefer extremely long games. I don't want to get too big, too fast. Since I set my research at max (999k), if the population grows to fast, the game is over before I get to tech level 3.

I definately support Woodman's idea of a slider for 'growth speed' so that we can have something that suits everyone.

[Bingeling]

In my current game I feel the game got out of hand, but it is still very fun. I think I have research on "slow" and that I just got started. I have had two proper wars. My very fast researching scientists are now typically focusing on the "late year" technologies. I have plasma torpedoes, titan beams, it completed the final reactor, and started on the torrent drive.

And the galaxy is stuffed full of people? 700 star 6x6 if I remember right. So early end game tech (and 500 size shipyards of which I traded for every one - stupid AI), and I feel that I am just getting warm. I don't play this game fast. The save file hints at it being 2839 or a bit later but years means nothing for me in this game.

Whenever I click on a colony, I seem to see a 10000M population. I think the galaxy should be full soon. I did manual taxes, and had my future (now current) economy star running more than 30% population growth as the Zenox. When population in the billions run 30% growth, you fill up the galaxy quite fast. Continental economy was stupid. I had multiple close 90+% continentals breeding around 30% and only taxed two colonies... That with a trying home colony.

The new wonders make things worse. The economy star got a trader bazaar for 50% extra income, a governor with 38% income bonus, and is a bit annoyed at its 65% tax taken from the 960k revenue. I have about 1000k in tax income, run a 100k negative cashflow, but if that worries me i got a 300k revenue colony with current 0% tax that could save me.

Lots of cruisers (195), carriers, medium and large space ports, and more than 80 defensive bases across my 24 colonies. And no issue at all supporting that. Considering what the Dhayut sent at my colony in our little war, I don't figure they have much issues with economy either...

In what I feel is still quite early days.

[Fideach]

Is there anything to actually keep the player or the AI empires from colonizing planet after planet of high quality? I know low quality cost you money, but higher ones don't. Even if they aren't generating revenue at first, you still can spread out quickly.

Probably be better if every colony cost you money for a while till they develop. Even low quality planets. Low ones just cost you more money and time in the long run to get them profitable. Every colony should require an investment of money from the empire in tax revenue for a while till they are self-sustaining and can contribute to the economy.

[Bingeling]

Of course there is something stopping you. Available colony spots. Remember that now almost all the galaxy is "owned" so decent colony spots may be unused until late in the game.

And a new colony does cost you a bit, depending on location. You need to protect it if it is to have mining bases nearby. Which means more war ships required to keep your areas safe. If colonization was to become really hard, I believe the game would become something completely different.

I wonder if characters and wonders have not inflated much of the game quite badly.

[BigWolfChris]

Having colonies run negative while, say less than 50% developed could be a good idea (lower the quality, the more it costs)
Of course, I would also love ways to increase quality, say a function of the terraforming facility, improves planet quality upto a max of 85%?&nbsp; That would make low-quality planets useful long-term

[Fideach]

ORIGINAL: BigWolf

Having colonies run negative while, say less than 50% developed could be a good idea (lower the quality, the more it costs)
Of course, I would also love ways to increase quality, say a function of the terraforming facility, improves planet quality upto a max of 85%?  That would make low-quality planets useful long-term

My thoughts as well. I would love to see a lot more buildings added to the game to influence things. Police stations to reduce unrest, intelligence agencies to increase counter esponage or the likely hood of recruiting intelligence agents.
I'd even be happy to see some additional components being added to the game for you to add to your space stations to modify things. Beyond just the medical and recreational centers.

With the current game model, having extra colonies of good quality costs me nothing extra, as I always have more then enough ships to protect my interests. Especially if I'm playing one of the races with income bonuses and certain types of governments. Money is almost never an issue for me in the game, even playing on very hard settings and with a less then desirable starting system. Also pirates and monsters are no threat to colonies as they don't invade. So I can leave that be for a while with out issue. Would make more sense and for better game play I think if you had to do more then just send a colony ship to a planet. Having to invest money initially into colonies would keep you from spamming them. Be interesting to see something like a terraforming ship you could deploy mid to late game at uncolonized planets, to increase quality of planets, or change barren ones into ones you could colonize.

[ASHBERY76]

ORIGINAL: WoodMan
I like it how it is, I play with everything set to as slow and low as possible.  Please don't tweak this.  If you must, give us an option, but don't tweak it without giving us an option in the new game screen.  Population growth is already outpacing everything else at the slowest speeds, making it faster would ruin things for me.

They already boosted this in the past AND in Legends the races pop growth was boosted again.  Please no change without an option.

I played all weekend and not a single new colony added any tax worthy to my empire or any population past 400 million.This is not slow it is broke.The other issue is homeworlds become a game killer if you lose them which is not good for the A.I.I am not asking for pop growth inceased but migration from the homeworld to new colonies needs a massive buff.

[WoodMan]

Ash something is definately wrong buddy.&nbsp; It doesn't take that long for populations to get past 400 mill in my games, 1 to 2 hours to get to 2 billion here, I haven't timed it though, but thats how it seems.&nbsp; (Basically one or two sittings because I pretty much play in 1 or 2 hours sessions).