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Maybe they'll find frogmarcs current game file corrupted and he'll have to replay a turn. Whatever it is, you should be able to continue the game from some point.
In french I would say: je croise les doigts!

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That's what I'm hoping for, fingers cross.
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The last save was indeed corrupted (the file was only 1k) so I reverted the game to the prior player turn. Hopefully this was just a fluke and it won't happen again.
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The last save was indeed corrupted (the file was only 1k) so I reverted the game to the prior player turn. Hopefully this was just a fluke and it won't happen again.
Thanks a lot for your intervention. [;)]

I don't know how are your business relations with Matrix/Slitherine but it seems to me that solving such server problems should be their job, not yours. We have had serveral "error 99" upload during the lats turns.

Marc (frogmarc) is on holidays this week so we will see next week end if it worked.
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The Slitherine tech people are going to take a look at this now that they are aware of it. I was told there was another game experiencing similar issues so it appears to be a server wide issue. I have a lot of confidence in their technical people to make things better. As for the 1k file upload, I really think this was some kind of fluke event.
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The Slitherine tech people are going to take a look at this now that they are aware of it. I was told there was another game experiencing similar issues so it appears to be a server wide issue. I have a lot of confidence in their technical people to make things better. As for the 1k file upload, I really think this was some kind of fluke event.
I received several answers from Slitherine/Matrix. Some of them were very keen.

Thanks a lot for your action. I'm sure we will enjoy continuing this game once frogmarc is back from holidays!!!
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Turn 93, 25th march 1943

All technical problems aren't solved as frogmarc still has difficulties tu upload saves (error 99)

But we has been able to play another turn...

Cutting the supply from Baku fliped all non controlled hexes in the southwestern Caucasus. SHC units here will surrender shortly.

I've not been able to take Baku this turn but the city should fall after the mud.

I'm satisfied with this winter campaign but game isn't over.

Some of you asked a general view of the front...

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And a closest view from the sector of Baku

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you've done an incredible amount of damage. The Soviets at 6m and the Germans alone at 4m, be interesting to see if you can manage the final gains in 1943 or if you have reached the limits of your advance.
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you've done an incredible amount of damage. The Soviets at 6m and the Germans alone at 4m, be interesting to see if you can manage the final gains in 1943 or if you have reached the limits of your advance.
That's the good question:
Is it possible for the german to get the last 30 VP's mid 1943...

Some Ussr stacks have now a CV > 25
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In case people were wondering, I've seen no evidence that losing Baku and the fuel/oil that goes with it will have any significant impact on the Red Army. The Axis player will take out about 35-40% of that production, but there will still be some excess production capacity on the Soviet side even with the loss.
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Reading through this AAR is just another confirmation for why the Russian should not fight forward or counterattack in 41 blizzard. Doing so is suicidal because of the multiple "over the top" Russian penalties during 41-42. To whit:

1) Extreme morale differential
2) Unrealistic binary isolation rules
3) Fantasy Lvov pocketing
4) Historically inaccurate and low reinforcement rates
5) Combat resolution routines that result in too few losses to the attacker

Nevertheless, the game is playable and interesting once HRs and intial optional settings are put in place to balance the game. Even then, though, you can forget fighting forward or the blizzard attack as the Russian. The best the Russian can do is try to survive until 43, when the rebuilt Russian Army 2.0 can be assembled to actually play the game.
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In case people were wondering, I've seen no evidence that losing Baku and the fuel/oil that goes with it will have any significant impact on the Red Army. The Axis player will take out about 35-40% of that production, but there will still be some excess production capacity on the Soviet side even with the loss.
To illustrate this post, my current oil production. Maybe, I will get some oïl from Maïkop soon

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Reading through this AAR is just another confirmation for why the Russian should not fight forward or counterattack in 41 blizzard. Doing so is suicidal because of the multiple "over the top" Russian penalties during 41-42. To whit:

1) Extreme morale differential
2) Unrealistic binary isolation rules
3) Fantasy Lvov pocketing
4) Historically inaccurate and low reinforcement rates
5) Combat resolution routines that result in too few losses to the attacker

Nevertheless, the game is playable and interesting once HRs and intial optional settings are put in place to balance the game. Even then, though, you can forget fighting forward or the blizzard attack as the Russian. The best the Russian can do is try to survive until 43, when the rebuilt Russian Army 2.0 can be assembled to actually play the game.
Your analysis is only focused on russians problems.

Even if most of your points are correct, german players also have their own difficulties:
- russian airborne and amphibian capacity
- partisan efficiency in the early months of the game if well managed
- impossibility to take Moscow and often Leningrad against good players in 1941
- the fact that the russian commander doesn't make the same errors than Stalin
and I forgot surely others points


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ORIGINAL: GamesaurusRex

Reading through this AAR is just another confirmation for why the Russian should not fight forward or counterattack in 41 blizzard. Doing so is suicidal because of the multiple "over the top" Russian penalties during 41-42. To whit:

1) Extreme morale differential
2) Unrealistic binary isolation rules
3) Fantasy Lvov pocketing
4) Historically inaccurate and low reinforcement rates
5) Combat resolution routines that result in too few losses to the attacker

Nevertheless, the game is playable and interesting once HRs and intial optional settings are put in place to balance the game. Even then, though, you can forget fighting forward or the blizzard attack as the Russian. The best the Russian can do is try to survive until 43, when the rebuilt Russian Army 2.0 can be assembled to actually play the game.
Your analysis is only focused on russians problems.

Even if most of your points are correct, german players also have their own difficulties:
- russian airborne and amphibian capacity
- partisan efficiency in the early months of the game if well managed
- impossibility to take Moscow and often Leningrad against good players in 1941
- the fact that the russian commander doesn't make the same errors than Stalin
and I forgot surely others points



Agreed. I only play as the Soviets and have been doing so since the game was released, including against many of the better players who post here. There is no question in my mind that in its current state (with the logistics nerfs), the Soviet side has far more margin for error and that it is the "easier" side to play. That isn't an argument necessarily that the game needs more balancing - the Germans should have a more difficult time to win (although it should not be so difficult that the game is unfun). I think it's pretty silly and against the experience of almost everyone here to argue otherwise.
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Turn 99, 6 May 1943

Mud all over Russia except in the extreme South.

I take advantage of this opportunity to shoot down the defenses in front of Baku but fail in my attempt of taking the city.

Next turn will see more substantial action...

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Your inexperienced opponent didn't leave a sufficient garrison at Baku. So go ahead and finish him off there, but I'd suggest you not linger too long.
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Well, not many people have much experience of defending Baku...
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Not that they should want it. [:)]
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Your inexperienced opponent didn't leave a sufficient garrison at Baku. So go ahead and finish him off there, but I'd suggest you not linger too long.
In fact he didn't follow (read?) the advice of stacking 3 rifle corps in Baku.

Not sure he would have been able to keep the city even with such troops.

I'm really stronger than him in this area.
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Turn 100, 13th may 1943

Baku has fallen, some USSR units still survive in Caucasus.

Between Baku and Astrakhan, SHC wants to avoid an encirclement, he shortens his line and uses the protection of the swamps

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