
GeneralfeldmarschallWalterModel (USSR) vs Panzerjaeger Hortlund (Germany)
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
5 more divisions lost this turn.


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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Well, that was a brutal winter. Looks like the mud is coming now. Plenty of time to rebuild the lost units at least. Now the interesting part starts. How long can we hold Berlin? Since we had our Stalingrad in 1941 instead of 1942, it should be sometime in 1944 we'll find ourselves defending the capital.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Every time I look at this, I practically fall down. I would assume a 43 push into Poland.
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Another unit surrenders and more are in the trap.


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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
And now, to make things more interesting...Romania surrendered. Should be an interesting 1942.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
OMG, i never ever saw something like that! i guess we see the fall of berlin in 1943. simply amazing work with your cavalery and tank units. 41 german ID destroed is simply unbelivable. i mean i had one opponent surrendering at mid 42 but his situation was not half as bad then your oponents situation now. congratulation.
@hortlund: what were your blizzard preprations?
@hortlund: what were your blizzard preprations?
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Romania surrendered during blizzard early 1942? WTF. As already mentioned I am really impressed by Models defense strategy, interesting approach.
I assume you have parked many troops in the rear area not to maintain fortifications, but to save trucks? And how is the OOB?
I assume you have parked many troops in the rear area not to maintain fortifications, but to save trucks? And how is the OOB?
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ORIGINAL: EwaldvonKleist
Romania surrendered during blizzard early 1942? WTF. As already mentioned I am really impressed by Models defense strategy, interesting approach.
I assume you have parked many troops in the rear area not to maintain fortifications, but to save trucks? And how is the OOB?
indeed. model's defensive preformance is amazing...only it is for the wrong side.

RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
We are in June now, Romania surrendered in May. Fear not, we will turn this around when our wonderweapons are coming.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
@Hortlund:
what were your blizzard preprations?
what were your blizzard preprations?
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ORIGINAL: bigbaba
indeed. model's defensive preformance is amazing...only it is for the wrong side.

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That does seem to be the consensus.
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ORIGINAL: Panzerjaeger Hortlund
And now, to make things more interesting...Romania surrendered. Should be an interesting 1942.
From turn 3 it was clear that the difference of skill between you and your opponent was huge. He has obviously a lot of experience.
Good luck, the end is near! [;)]
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Seems Stalingrad came early in 1942...[8D]
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RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ORIGINAL: STEF78
From turn 3 it was clear that the difference of skill between you and your opponent was huge.
Thanks dude
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ORIGINAL: bigbaba
@Hortlund:
what were your blizzard preprations?
Pretty decent. I did not advance after the mud, so we were dug in pretty well. We had a continuous line except a couple of holes in the south. Several layered defensive lines of fortifications.
A combination of things "caused" this I think. Game settings, Romanians, and me trying to save a bunch of surrounded units. If you look at the screenshots earlier in the thread, you can see the German positions at the start of the blizzard.
What happened was the Romanians crumbled immideately, this forced me to pull my entire line back, this in turn meant that I could not build up enough defensive strenght in the divisions.
Also, what you cannot see in these pictures is that Model originally planned to attack in the north, judging by his disposition of forces during the mud. The build up in the north made me focus on the northern defences, and as you can see, the German line is still holding from Narva to Vyazma. Model then could rail his units south, while I could not because the rail-lines I had were going west to east and not north to south.
So, all in all, a combination of these things. And once the line started to crumble, there was nothing I could do to prevent the total rout
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ORIGINAL: Sardaukar
Seems Stalingrad came early in 1942...[8D]
Yeah, thats basically it. I had Stalingrad one year early. But lets see what happens next. Ive just pocketed his army in Romania, and I think I can kill them off next turn. Nothing earthshattering, but should be a couple of hundred thousand men. I think its 4-5 corps and 4-5 divisions in that pocket.
The era of procrastination, of half-measures, of soothing and baffling expedients, of delays, is coming to a close.
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
In its place we are entering a period of consequences..
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
ok thanks. so as usual the rumanians are to blame for german defeat.
just like stalingrad but only much earlier. that plus the rapid force relocation of model.
the only allies i trust in winter are the finns. as for the rumanians, i only put them at the frontline in a hex with good terrain and idealy only where they can be attacked from one hex by the russians.
good luck with your "comeback" in 42.

the only allies i trust in winter are the finns. as for the rumanians, i only put them at the frontline in a hex with good terrain and idealy only where they can be attacked from one hex by the russians.
good luck with your "comeback" in 42.
RE: 302,000 Captured Germans
Model then could rail his units south, while I could not because the rail-lines I had were going west to east and not north to south.
This is critical. As the German player you need to give high priority to securing a N-S line somewhere, during the fall. The line probably won't go nicely straight north to south, but you can get something that will work reasonably.
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Romania and Hungary Surrender 1942
The last of German surrenders from blizzard.


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