Panzers vs The Bear: A WitE2 MP AAR (Axis Perspective)

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Week 17

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Turn 17, 12.10.1941

First the good news from Afrika. Rommel corrected his blunder from summer and Axis forces achieved success in this theater.

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Leningrad

Manstein successfully crossed Neva and German armies now have a bridgehead on the right bank. Because that exposed hex can be assaulted from four directions, Soviet fortification efforts at this location should start immediately after campaign start.

Although raining, ground is still only light mud, according to the forecast heavy rain will come next week. Any further offensive actions must wait until start of freezes.

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Tula

Only other major attack was on Tula. Basically the whole 2nd Panzer Group participated. Although overkill, I have not planned to advance further and that way I spread out the casualties between many units.

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Those two Hungarian brigades routed 3 weeks ago ended in depleted state and are the first being sent to reserve for rest and refit.

If situation allows it I will send more units to rest and refit. Some of my divisions are down to 30-40% strength.

Next week Rommel will gain reinforcements, I sincerely hope he makes good use of it. I certainly could use another full strength motorized division.

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The whole Eastern Front. At this point I don't expect the lines moving much. Any hypothetical offensive in November will be launched only in case it can achieve definitive victory. Possible probably only by taking Moscow.

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RE: Week 17

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Is the recon incomplete or do the Soviets really have what looks to be very few units?

Nice AAR!

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RE: Week 17

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ORIGINAL: MagicMissile

Is the recon incomplete or do the Soviets really have what looks to be very few units?

Nice AAR!

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Recon is incomplete. Don't fly during bad weather as it usually results in tremendous ops losses.
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RE: Week 17

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The sparse knowledge without flying active recon is a big step forward for the game. At last real operational surprise is posssible.
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RE: Week 17

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

The sparse knowledge without flying active recon is a big step forward for the game. At last real operational surprise is posssible.

yes [;)]
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RE: Week 17

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Yes that sounds like good news for the game for sure.

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RE: Week 17

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that place southeast of Moscow might be worth recon if they are weaker it might be possible to wedge some units there and force soviets to lenghten the line and threaten reach around to south from center, moscow attack from southeast even threat of attack on stalingrad from north, it could force him to make slipup
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RE: Week 17

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ORIGINAL: CaesarCzech

that place southeast of Moscow might be worth recon if they are weaker it might be possible to wedge some units there and force soviets to lenghten the line and threaten reach around to south from center, moscow attack from southeast even threat of attack on stalingrad from north, it could force him to make slipup

Won't happen, at least not in nov/dec 41. In clear weather it would take 1-2 months, doing it in winter is recipe for disaster.
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Week 18

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Turn 18, 19.10.1941

Front becomes static. Heavy rain and mud everywhere except around Rostov. First units of 11th Army already arrived to the area and next week will try to attack the city.

Probably time for some assessments as there is nothing to report.

Main campaign goal(gaining enough VPs to force Soviet Union out of the war) was not achieved. At this point I would need to take both, Leningrad and Moscow and this doesn't appear to be plausible. Any major offensive to take Moscow will be clearly a gamble.

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Regarding the other objective, destroy or at least significantly weaken the Red Army, I think was fulfilled at least partially.

Lot of enemy formations have been removed from Soviet OOB but I am sure they will be rebuilt.

Soviets suffered 3 millions casualties so far(WIA/MIA/KIA). But Axis armies paid high price as well with nearly 700k own casualties.

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Reason why I believe my second objective was achieved are the numbers in OOB. Soviet on map forces are well under 3 millions. However there is around 300k men in Soviet reserves and I am pretty sure these will be used in inevitable Winter offensive. And I definitely want to avoid them appearing in flank of my hypothetical potential offensive against Moscow in the worst possible moment, when the blizzard will hit. This is the main reason I am reluctant to launch such offensive.

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However when looking on OOB graph my claim about weakening Soviet army becomes more dubious. While Axis forces are clearly in decline, all I achieved, except conquering some territory has been keeping Soviet armies in more or less the same strength they started the war with.

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RE: Week 18

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Compared to the other demo AAR vs AI by Loki, it appears that the loss of both sides in this AAR is significantly higher.
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RE: Week 18

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ORIGINAL: jlbhung

Compared to the other demo AAR vs AI by Loki, it appears that the loss of both sides in this AAR is significantly higher.

there were a lot of changes to the combat engine in the period after I started that game as some new rules were embedded and refined, so that might be a partial explanation.

beyond that, I'd say the Germans here have been pushed very (too?) hard, its paid off but the cost is in the loss ratio?
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Week 19

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Turn 19, 26.10.1941

Raining everywhere only in the vicinity of Rostov is light rain and no mud. One corps from 11. Army and best units from 1. Panzer Group (rest is set to reserve) storms the city. I got lucky and two panzer divisions do activate to support the attack. City is taken but it was close call with final odds only 2.1:1

3rd Romanian army is gathering around Stalino and will be sent to the Axis reserve for refit. Hope to have them back for when Blizzard hits. I also sent all recon groups to reserve as during heavy rains they are useless. But during November I plan to fly intensive recon with aim to find out where are Soviets assembling for winter offensive.

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RE: Week 19

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ORIGINAL: 821Bobo
3rd Romanian army is gathering around Stalino and will be sent to the Axis reserve for refit. Hope to have them back for when Blizzard hits. I also sent all recon groups to reserve as during heavy rains they are useless.

Why send the Romanians and Recon back to Reserve instead of just leaving them on the map on Refit/Rest?

How did you prepare for Mud? Depots everywhere?
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RE: Week 19

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I dont get enough freight to refit units. Also wanted to reequip some recon squads and reorganize them. Easier to done in reserve than on map.
Depot need to be connected to rail to get freight so building depots everywhere is useless unless connected to rail network
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RE: Week 19

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Hi - great AAR, thanks!

I was wondering could you give us a brief tour of your depot network? I'm really interested to see how an experienced Axis player lays this out:

- what's the typical distance between depots across the width of the front?
- how close are you main depots to the front?
- do you have a deep line of depots along the main rail routes? If so, what priority are these set on etc.
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RE: Week 19

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3 turns behind you in my AI game and its giving me a good workout. Have you moved the Romanian RR units to an empty corps after their FBD disbands on T14 to use as a "poor mans FBD" ? Donets basin is a supply desert for 1st Pzr and every little helps. ( I forgot and my tanks are running dry).

Loving the new weather system. It adds so many more interesting situations than in WitE 1.r

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RE: Week 19

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3 turns behind you in my AI game and its giving me a good workout. Have you moved the Romanian RR units to an empty corps after their FBD disbands on T14 to use as a "poor mans FBD" ? Donets basin is a supply desert for 1st Pzr and every little helps. ( I forgot and my tanks are running dry).

I did move the Romanian RRs to corps HQ in Crimea to finish the rail connection to the peninsula.
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RE: Week 19

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ORIGINAL: squatter

Hi - great AAR, thanks!

I was wondering could you give us a brief tour of your depot network? I'm really interested to see how an experienced Axis player lays this out:

- what's the typical distance between depots across the width of the front?
- how close are you main depots to the front?
- do you have a deep line of depots along the main rail routes? If so, what priority are these set on etc.

Thanks

I have 5 working rail lines, 1 to Leningrad, 2 in center and 2 south(one is single rail to Crimea. It is far from ideal, I didn't put lot of effort in optimization. Area between Kursk and Kharkov is black hole. Hope the screenshot can answer your questions.

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RE: Week 19

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Thanks, that's really useful to see.

So I can see that you maintain a 'depth' of two depots along your rail lines near the front - are both the front and rear of these two depots set to the same priority?

I'm wondering how you know for sure you have enough depot capacity to supply a given number of units in a given area - is there a way you can at a glance see which units were able/unable to draw their maximum/full amount of supply in the previous logistics phase?
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RE: Week 19

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I always set the most forward depot to priority 4, next one 3. Only thing I am sure is that my units don't have enough supply. I am using the soft factors to see the state of supply/fuel/ammo of units.
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