Unit Descriptions: Air, Naval, Land

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Please see attached the write-up of the encounter at Mers-el-Kebir. I would welcome comments on this episode (on reflection I may amend the British version, but will await any comment on this draft version first).

[4884 Bretagne - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine(s) output: 29,000 hp.
.B Top Speed: 20 knots.
.B Main armament: 10 x 13.4-inch (340mm), 22 x 5.4-inch (139mm) guns.
.B Displacement (full load): 25,000 tons
.B Thickest armour: 10.6-inch (belt)

The Bretagne :

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: micheljq

ORIGINAL: Mike Dubost

Ticonderoga was one of those places that saw figting in many wars, due to its position on a choke point in a natural line of advance / supply. Prior to the development of the American railway network in the mid-19th Century, the easiest routes of travel and most secure supply routes were by water. The fort now known as Ticonderoga was built by the French to defend a narrow point in Lake Champlain which was a major link in the water route between Canada and New York City. As such, this route served as a focal point of attack and counterattack in the French and Indian Wars, the Revolutionary War, and the War of 1812. Fort Carillon was attacked twice during the French and Indian Wars by British forces. The failed attack was led by Abercromby, in 1758. The successful attack was led by Sir Jeffrey Amherst. If you take the Fort Ti ferry (at least as of 2001 when I went), there is a marker on the boat indicating that the ferry crossing was first set up by Amherst. Later renamed Fort Ticonderoga by the British, it was allowed to fall into decay after the defeat of the French. In 1775, the fort was lightly held and on May 10, Ethan Allen with his Green Mountain Boys and Benedict Arnold with a commission from the Massachusetts Committe of Safety (and one manservant), took the fort by surprise. Allen later claimed to have demanded the fort's surrender "In the name of the Great Jehovah and the Continental Congress", but others claimed that he said "Come out of there, you damned old rat". The guns from the fort were removed by Henry Knox in January 1776, and in one of the remarkable feats of endurance and of engineering skill of the Revolutionary War, were transported by sledges and gondolas to the main patriot forces near Boston where George Washington used them to force the British to evacuate the city.

My ancestor fought Ticonderoga and Fort Carillon 1758, in the british forces. The french-Indian war as the americans say, also known as the Seven Years War. It was a war with theaters mainly in Europe, but in North-America and India also.

The Ticonderoga :

[Froonp]

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In recognition of the "brilliant courage, vigor, spirit, and tenacity of the Marines," the French government awarded Marine units at Belleau Wood the Croix de guerre with Palm and renamed Belleau  Wood "Bois de la Brigade de Marine."

Floyd Gibbons' account of the Marines in Belleau Woods

The 5th Marine Regiment and the 6th Marine Regiment of the United States Marine Corps were awarded the fourragère. for having earned the Croix de Guerre with palm leaf three times during World War I.

Members of the 5th Marine Regiment and the 6th Marine Regiment of the United States Marine Corps are authorized to wear the fourragère (AKA “pogie rope” by the Marines) while serving with the regiment.

The Belleau Wood (looks like 2 lines names can be improved) :

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: warspite1

While continuing the French navy I came across something I never knew...there was a Franco-Siamese war in 1941!

Please see one of the two Siamese counters (the other has the same write-up).

[4531 Sri Ayuthia - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 5,200 hp.
.B Top Speed: 15.5 knots.
.B Main armament: 4 x 8-inch (203mm), 4 x 3-inch (76.2mm) guns.
.B Displacement (standard): 2,265 tons.
.B Thickest armour: 2.5-inch (belt).
.P The Sri Ayuthia`s were a class of two coastal defence ships that were
built for the Siamese Navy by the Japanese between 1936 and 1938. The two ships
were named Sri Ayuthia and Dhonburi.
.P They were not especially powerful or well armoured ships, certainly when
compared to coastal defence vessels in vogue with the Scandanavian countries.
.P Both ships were badly damaged during the Battle of Koh Chang, the main naval
engagement of the French-Thai war of 1941. The Siamese tried to take advantage of
the recent French defeat at the hands of Germany and so seize disputed border
areas on the Indo-China-Siam border. The battle took place on the 17th January,
when the French cruiser Lamotte-Picquet and and her sloop escorts, decisively
defeated ships of the Siamese Navy. The Siamese lost three torpedo boats, and
both coastal defence ships had to be beached to ensure they did not sink, after
being badly damaged. Unfortunately for Dhonburi, she sank later anyway when under
tow. Her sister was luckier and after being repaired, was to survive the war.
.P Sri Ayuthia was scrapped in 1951.

One of the combattants :

I notice that the name of the ship is spelled differently on the counter and in the text.

A quick search on internet seem to give Warspite1 the right for there I find "Sri Ayuthia".

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Orm

I notice that the name of the ship is spelled differently on the counter and in the text.

A quick search on internet seem to give Warspite1 the right for there I find "Sri Ayuthia".

Good catch. I had not noticed that.
The WiF FE counter is spellded "Sri Ayuthia" too. I'm correcting the MWiF counter.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: paulderynck

Lamotte-Picquet and and her sloop escorts

Warspite1

Pauldernyck - is it Paul?

Thank-you -master file amended [:)]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: Orm

I notice that the name of the ship is spelled differently on the counter and in the text.

A quick search on internet seem to give Warspite1 the right for there I find "Sri Ayuthia".

Good catch. I had not noticed that.
The WiF FE counter is spellded "Sri Ayuthia" too. I'm correcting the MWiF counter.

[/quote] Warspite1

Patrice

I have noticed this a couple of times with the master file - for example Gascoigne is spelt Gascogne in the master file. If I come across any more of these do I need to just change the master file and advise you?

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
Good catch. I had not noticed that.
The WiF FE counter is spellded "Sri Ayuthia" too. I'm correcting the MWiF counter.

Corrected Ayuthia :

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I have noticed this a couple of times with the master file - for example Gascoigne is spelt Gascogne in the master file. If I come across any more of these do I need to just change the master file and advise you?

The right spelling, the one on the WiF FE counter, is Gascoigne :

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I have noticed this a couple of times with the master file - for example Gascoigne is spelt Gascogne in the master file. If I come across any more of these do I need to just change the master file and advise you?

The right spelling, the one on the WiF FE counter, is Gascoigne :

Warspite1

Okay, so we have master file incorrect but counter correct - I take it from this that the link between the counter name and the master file are not linked and therefore presumably there could be some errors the other way around?

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I have noticed this a couple of times with the master file - for example Gascoigne is spelt Gascogne in the master file. If I come across any more of these do I need to just change the master file and advise you?

The right spelling, the one on the WiF FE counter, is Gascoigne :

The spelling of words in the writeups does not affect playing the game.

Changing the spelling in the data files needs to be done carefully, since many of the named units are referenced internally in the setups (Sri Ayuthia is not).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: warspite1
I have noticed this a couple of times with the master file - for example Gascoigne is spelt Gascogne in the master file. If I come across any more of these do I need to just change the master file and advise you?

The right spelling, the one on the WiF FE counter, is Gascoigne :

Warspite1

Okay, so we have master file incorrect but counter correct - I take it from this that the link between the counter name and the master file are not linked and therefore presumably there could be some errors the other way around?

The linkage between the unit's depiction (graphic), its writeup, and its data is done through the unit numbers.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Shannon V. OKeets

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: Froonp



The right spelling, the one on the WiF FE counter, is Gascoigne :

Warspite1

Okay, so we have master file incorrect but counter correct - I take it from this that the link between the counter name and the master file are not linked and therefore presumably there could be some errors the other way around?

The linkage between the unit's depiction (graphic), its writeup, and its data is done through the unit numbers.

Warspite1

Steve, as you know by now, I know nothing about computers and don`t intend touching anything I think may have an effect on something else [X(]. Therefore, if I think a spelling in the Master File is incorrect I will simply amend that and advise you / Patrice.

[warspite1]

Another example is Chateaurenault, spelt Chatearenault in the master file and the naval CSV - Counter no. 4909. The cruiser Galissonniere (4913) is also missing her "La" in both.

Looks like both errors are the result of a mis-spelling/ wrong naming by ADG as I have checked my countersheets and the same mistakes have been made here too.

[warspite1]

Please see below the first of the Italian cruiser write-ups.

[5010 Colleoni - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 95,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 36.5 knots
.B Main armament: 8 x 6-inch (152mm), 6 x 3.9-inch (100mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 6,844 tons
.B Thickest armour: 1-inch (belt)
.P The first light cruisers built for the Regia Marina (RM) after the First
World War was the Condottieri type. Within this type were six classes or sub
groups. The four-ship Giussano-class made up the first group.
.P These ships were built for the RM between 1928 and 1932. They were not a very
successful design, having been built with speed in mind; and this came at a cost
in armour protection. The necessity for speed being that the class were designed
as destroyer killers.
.P The ships were known for their fragile structural quality and their poor sea-
worthiness. Their lack of armour protection, and specifically the lack of
underwater protection, was to cost the class dearly, as all four ships were
ultimately sunk by torpedo.
.P Bartolomeo Colleoni, to give the ship her full name, was named after an
Italian military hero from the 15th Century. She was completed in February 1932
but was to have a very short war.
.P Her initial role following the Italian declaration of war in June 1940, was as
part of the 2nd Cruiser Squadron, 2nd Cruiser Division with whom she provided
protection for minelaying operations.
.P Her first and last major action came at the Battle of Cape Spada just over a
month into Italy`s war. Her sister ship within the 2nd Cruiser Squadron was Bande
Nere, and these two cruisers were ordered to sail from their base at Tripoli,
Libya for Leros in the Dodecanese. The two ships, under the command of Rear-
Admiral Casardi, sailed on the 17th July.
.P In the Aegean on patrol at that time was the Australian cruiser HMAS Sydney,
together with a destroyer escort. The Italian cruisers came across four of the
destroyers on the morning of the 19th. The Royal Navy ships were some distance
from Sydney and the fifth destroyer, and the Italian ships, designed and built
for destroyer killing, sought to engage the enemy.
.P However, unbeknown to Casardi, Sydney was lying in wait, as the British
destroyers were leading the Italians toward the Australian cruiser. Although
having the same six-inch main armament as the Italian cruisers, Sydney had better
armour protection and just before 0830hrs, She opened fire on the advancing
Italian vessels. Casardi ordered an immediate about turn, hoping to use his ships
greater speed to outrun Sydney and the destroyers. However, Colleoni was hit by a
shell that damaged her steering gear, and further hits soon caused her to stop
dead in the water.
.P She continued to fight for as long as she was able, but two of the destroyers,
Ilex and Hyperion, were able to get close enough to launch torpedoes and ninety
minutes after commencement of the battle, Colleoni blew up and sank with the loss
of 121 officers and men. Bande Nere had been able to outrun her pursuers and was
only lightly damaged in the action.

[Extraneous]

 
In Case White AAR (After action report) peskpesk’s post #80 it shows a CW carrier aircraft is it a Bafin or Baffin?
 
It believe it should be a Blackburn Baffin but can’t be sure due to the scale.
 

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Please see below the first of the Italian cruiser write-ups.

[5010 Colleoni - by Robert Jenkins]
.B Engine output: 95,000 hp
.B Top Speed: 36.5 knots
.B Main armament: 8 x 6-inch (152mm), 6 x 3.9-inch (100mm) guns
.B Displacement (full load): 6,844 tons
.B Thickest armour: 1-inch (belt)

The Colleoni :

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Extraneous
In Case White AAR (After action report) peskpesk’s post #80 it shows a CW carrier aircraft is it a Bafin or Baffin?

It believe it should be a Blackburn Baffin but can’t be sure due to the scale.

It is OK in the data files.
The Baffin :

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Another example is Chateaurenault, spelt Chatearenault in the master file and the naval CSV - Counter no. 4909. The cruiser Galissonniere (4913) is also missing her "La" in both.

Looks like both errors are the result of a mis-spelling/ wrong naming by ADG as I have checked my countersheets and the same mistakes have been made here too.

The Chateaurenault is spelled like that in the datafiles, not Chatearenault. You may have old datafiles.
The Galissonnière, you are saying it should be spelled La Galissonnière ?
If so, I prefer leaving that change to Steve, as this ship is included in setups, and me changing it would cause errors in all new game creations. Anyway this is not a biggie, as far as Galissonnière is rightly spelled. It is spelled like that Galissonnière, not like that Galissonniere in the datafiles.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: warspite1

Another example is Chateaurenault, spelt Chatearenault in the master file and the naval CSV - Counter no. 4909. The cruiser Galissonniere (4913) is also missing her "La" in both.

Looks like both errors are the result of a mis-spelling/ wrong naming by ADG as I have checked my countersheets and the same mistakes have been made here too.

The Chateaurenault is spelled like that in the datafiles, not Chatearenault. You may have old datafiles.
The Galissonnière, you are saying it should be spelled La Galissonnière ?
If so, I prefer leaving that change to Steve, as this ship is included in setups, and me changing it would cause errors in all new game creations. Anyway this is not a biggie, as far as Galissonnière is rightly spelled. It is spelled like that Galissonnière, not like that Galissonniere in the datafiles.

Warspite1

1. Galissoniere - okay no problem - I`ll mention any other issues (if any) as I come across them and you tell me what you want to do.
2. Chateaurenault - okay, does that mean that my 2003 Cruisers in Flames is out of date i.e. ADG have spelt her correctly now in a subsequent version? I will amend the spelling on the naval master file only.