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ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Wow, Jul/Aug 40 and China is all but gone, the new open map really cripples China. The fact Japan is that far inland, has no rear area garrison troops to speak of, yet not a single Chinese partisan is on map tells me they need to tweak the rules in China to help them deal with all the new ground that needs to be defended. At a minimum Japan should have to keep at least 1 division in every controlled city to prevent a partisan from automatically appearing at that city. Historically Japan could never have kept an army fed that far inland with almost no rear area garrison troops protecting their rail net.

Haven’t played WiF since about 1998, but played every version of it till the counters wore out before that as it was one of my all time favorite games. This will be my next game when I’m done playing AACW2, I just hope they do something to fix China by the time I purchase.

Thanks for doing the AAR, it’s a great read.

Jim

no, not necessarily. there are also other tactical and even strategic options for China than were selected here. such as stacking their units and selecting the blitz table in combat to lower casualties. and trading some of their plentiful space for time (i.e. retreating) instead of sitting at the front and letting the Japanese kill all of their units on the assault table one at a time. and calling for aid from the West via the Burma Road. and keeping a small reserve against the possibility of a Japanese double move with good weather.

the war in China in World in Flames is less of a simulation of WWII than other parts of the game, but the new map will not create a result like this in every game. I wouldn't expect any changes to how China works any time soon however.
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As Brian Brian says above there are many ways to maneuver with the Chinese as well as with the Japanese.

To some extent the level of US entry, as evidenced by their actions taken, will affect how the Japanese spend their build points, they may not afford to build a lot of land units for action in China.

The Russian posture near Manchuria can also force the Japanese to moderate their efforts in China.

Using double stacking with the Chinese does make individual hexes more costly to attack but also makes oozing around and isolating Chinese stacks easier since there are not enough units to make anything near solid lines, then disorganizing them with ground strikes for easy kills. Those operations would take more time to set up but also kills twice as many units when they do attack. The additional Chinese cities can of course be used as hero cities to hold up Japanese progress, especially in the two southern mountain cities added.

If the Chinese just retreat and let the Japanese have the two southern resources and perhaps SI -An there are likely many Japanese players that will be satisfied with that and not attack further. Of course that will come back to hurt later after the Chinese have had time to multiply their forces.
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I think the trick with the Chinese is to try to force the Japanese to overstretch herself. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the greatest mistake the Chinese can make, is to be too passive while defending. The Chinese can make life miserable for the Japanese if they can get units behind the enemy lines. Splitting up CAV into divisions and using them to infiltrate the Japanese controlled parts of China and grab cities there should be considered. If you combine that with a good slow withdrawal into the mountains by the rest of the Chinese army, I don't think China is going to be a walk over for the Japanese at all.

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ORIGINAL: Centuur

I think the trick with the Chinese is to try to force the Japanese to overstretch herself. I'm slowly coming to the conclusion that the greatest mistake the Chinese can make, is to be too passive while defending. The Chinese can make life miserable for the Japanese if they can get units behind the enemy lines. Splitting up CAV into divisions and using them to infiltrate the Japanese controlled parts of China and grab cities there should be considered. If you combine that with a good slow withdrawal into the mountains by the rest of the Chinese army, I don't think China is going to be a walk over for the Japanese at all.


Absolutely - am doing that in my current Global War game, and the result is also quite a few US entry rolls for the cities you need to retake as Jap.
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The Sep/Oct 40 turn has Axis initiative but weather roll of 6 makes for rain in N Monsoon and the impulse increases by 2. The Chinese like it. During the reinforce phase the Chinese reinforced Chungking.

Italy flies air to the W Med but fails to find the CW fleet there. Seeing an aggressive CW the Italians are reinforcing Sardinia just in case.

Japan stratbombs Kunming for 1 pp The Burma road had been open for a few turns in the past but it was closed by Japan last turn.

Herman bomber misses Manchester, no damage there.
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Allied impulse 1 (impulse # 3)
CW naval, China land, rest combined.

CW search in E Med fails although it drew the last Italian NAV to sea.
CW stratbomb Stettin took out 1 pp
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Axis impulse ( impulse # 5)

Early winter storms have arrived, r 8 Italy again fails to locate the CW fleet in W Med.

Japan has bivouacked in China, rain in the North and storm in the south, no activity.
Japan transported a Garrison unit to Truk.
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Allies impulse 2 ( impulse #7)

Stormy weather, only minor adjustments in positions made.

Turn end on a 1 rolled a 1.

US Entry is horribly low, even after this pull only at 14 for both pools with tension levels of 7 and 8 respectively.
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Production for Nov/Dec 40:

GE 18 Lnd3, Pilot, HQA, Mil, Inf
IT 7 Ftr, HQI
JAP 17 MarDiv, CV2, BB2, Ftr, Pilot, 2CVP, CP
Chi 2 Gar Stratbomb lost 1 pp
CW 17 2CArep, Lnd3, 2Pilot, 2CVP, Inf, MechDiv
USA 11 CV2, Amph1, Pilot, 2CVP
RUS 15 2Inf, Gar, CAV, Lnd2, Pilot, 1BP save

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Nov/Dec40 started with Allied initiative and lots of snow and rain. North Monsoon is fine though.

Allies just moved to redress their positions on land and sea.
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Nov/Dec 40 Axis first impulse (impulse # 3)
Germany continues moving eastwards and some of the troops in the southern Balkans are moving into Rumania.
Ital is watching the Med and are ready to respond to any CW moves there.
Japan stratbomb took 1 pp from Kunming, A German bomber was aborted over Manchester in England.

One attack in China only caused a Chinese unit retreat and disrupted 3 Japanese front line troops.
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Nov/Dec 40 Allies 2nd impulse, (impulse # 5)
Severe winter weather has hit, rolled a 9. China gets another impulse of no losses.

CW DoW's Vichy, the US objects and a chit is lost.

CW and China land, rest combined.

CW Division invades Martinique in rain and another enters French West Africa and is closing in on Dakar. An Indian Inf is sent to Singapore as garrison there. Another Indian unit, a Mech that was landed in Suez earlier is moving up the coast towards Syria. A Nigerian Territorial unit just entered and took over Dahomey and will move towards Togo next.
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Axis 2nd impulse in winter weather (impulse # 8)

Germany and Italy take combined action, Japan land.

A naval skirmish in N Sea sinks 1 CW light cruiser, damages another and aborts a convoy. Germany suffered 1 aborted cruiser. This German naval move was on it's way to Brest as redeployment at the return to base phase.

Turn ended on a 2. Not much was accomplished by the Axis this turn. The China situation has stabilized some thanks to bad weather there.

As can also be seen the US Entry situation is very poor for the Allies, there are many chits but almost all of very low value. This is an unusually poor level for the end of 40.

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Production Nov/Dec 40

Ge 19 Ftr, Ftr3, 2pilot, Mech,Inf, Mil
IT 7 Ftr, Pilot, Inf
Jap 17 CV2, 2pilot, TRS1, Warlord, MarDiv, 2CVP, 4convoy
Chi 2 Gar 1pp lost to stratbomb
CW 17 CV2, CArep, pilot, Inf, Para, 2CVP, TRS1
USA 11 2pilot, TRS2, 3CVP
RUS 16 2Inf, Mot, Mtn, Lnd2
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Here are the reinforcements for Jan/Feb 41 start

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Jan/Feb 41 starts with Allied initiative and severe winter weather, lots of blizzards, rain in North Monsoon.

CW combined Invades Guadeloupe and takes Dakar and Portuguese Gambia. Vichy ships in Dakar rebase to Konakri in Vichy French Guinea.

Russia rushes to beef up their garrison against Germany.
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Axis impulse 1 (impulse #4) Weather is severe.

Germany take naval action, sends SUBs to F Gap, Ships to B Biscay and N Atlantic. Italy sends SUBs to C Vincent. Japan remains bivouacked in China.

A lone CW Cruiser finds the Italian SUBs in C Vincent, the Cruiser is damaged and 1 SUB is damaged, after this they do not find again.

The German cruiser in N Atlantic and the ships in B Biscay fail to find the CW convoys and the CW patrolling ships likewise do not seethe SUBs.





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Allied impulse 2 ( impulse # 7 ) Weather continues with blizzards in m=several zones.

CW again takes a combined action. The Div that just took Vichy Guadeloupe was embarked on a new Cruiser and sent to Paramaribo, then began it's move towards Vichy French Guyana. The Div that took Dakar now continued to St Louis in Vichy French Mauritania. An Indian Mech that arrived in Egypt some time ago continued up the Mediterranean coast and took Damascus

Russia sent additional troops to the border area with Germany. The garrison is sufficient to hold off the Germans for the time being.
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Axis impulse 2 ( impulse # 10 ) Weather still severe winter, has been the whole turn.

Italy sinks 2 CW convoyse andavorts 3 in Cap San Vincent,

Turn ends on a 2. This will reduce CW production this turn.

The Us entry is finally nearing the first gear up, almost there now.

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At the end of the Jan/Feb 41 turn the status of the NAZI pact is still not breakable by the Germans but the Russians will need to decide whether to stay at the border or to back off to more defensive positions.

At the zoom level three shown here it is hard to see that almost all the German stacks have multiple units in them


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