GD1938 Game 23

[ironduke1955]

The GD1938 MOD is how I like my second world simulations it is hex based turn based and full of equipment detail that you don't get with other WW2 games Hearts of Iron is constantly shifting and you don't really control the action WITE WITW and other incarnations may well be detailed but they create more questions than answers so your doing well on the Eastern Front but the British succeeded at Diepe and are now in Berlin in 1942. Other WW2 games are to simple you might as well be playing risk. I always looked for a Third Reich type game, with a broad sweep, the ATG system provides a excellent system and the MOD designers have created a superb frame to hang the ATG system on. Point being it is playable within a reasonable time scale I don't hanker anymore for a squad based simulation of WW2 with a map the size of Texas. I realise that's just nuts (though just saying it made me kind of hanker for it) We have a great group of players the AI is just not up to it. Glad you enjoy the AAR's sorry they can't show the Action. It might be a Idea that we could have Nation specific AAR's that players would agree not to read, that way turn by turn combat could be posted, and you could absolutely trust your fellow gamer's to honour their promise not to peek[:D]

[LJBurstyn]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

The GD1938 MOD is how I like my second world simulations it is hex based turn based and full of equipment detail that you don't get with other WW2 games Hearts of Iron is constantly shifting and you don't really control the action WITE WITW and other incarnations may well be detailed but they create more questions than answers so your doing well on the Eastern Front but the British succeeded at Diepe and are now in Berlin in 1942. Other WW2 games are to simple you might as well be playing risk. I always looked for a Third Reich type game, with a broad sweep, the ATG system provides a excellent system and the MOD designers have created a superb frame to hang the ATG system on. Point being it is playable within a reasonable time scale I don't hanker anymore for a squad based simulation of WW2 with a map the size of Texas. I realise that's just nuts (though just saying it made me kind of hanker for it) We have a great group of players the AI is just not up to it. Glad you enjoy the AAR's sorry they can't show the Action. It might be a Idea that we could have Nation specific AAR's that players would agree not to read, that way turn by turn combat could be posted, and you could absolutely trust your fellow gamer's to honour their promise not to peek[:D]

Let me say this... I have never been able to resist temptations very well... so don't expect me to make a promise not to look.

[Zap]

What would be the comparison between ATG and TOAWIII (IV coming out)? It as well has a poor AI. I own neither Game. I'm evaluating the pros and cons of games as I zero-in on a purchase that I will appreciate and play. Today, I Don't want to purchase a game then put it on shelf.

[ernieschwitz]

Hard to say outright. But the main sticking point i think would be that ATG is alittle more customizable the TOAWIII, imho. I own both.

[Bombur]

It also can simulate strategic aspects of war, like naval interdiction, ASW, strategic bombing and even night bombing. You cannot simulate these with TOAW-III. Also the naval model is far more detailed (althought it will change with TOAW IV). On the other hand, creating scenarios/mods with ATG is harder than with TOAW, which is the price you pay for the increased flexibility.

[cpdeyoung]

26 June 1939

The United States has allied itself with Great Britain and France. We have not gone to war, but we continue to place our military in a state of readiness in case war comes. The American people realize this step brings us closer to war, but the western democracies are in a very hard time just now. Even support short of war should be valuable.

The USA observes the increasing militarization of the Pacific. We have reinforced garrisons there, as have the Japanese.

FDR

[ironduke1955]

July 1939

Mineral resources in Sweden captured. Modest advances on other fronts but well thought out defensive measures by the French and British have kept the Germans for the moment without a decisive battle, on all European Fronts.

Germany had hoped that the US would look for a friend in Germany. We still hold out hope that the USA will begin to see Germany as power they can do business with.

[MrLongleg]

Game question: when playing vanilla AT dive bombers are excellent tank killers. In this game my dive bomber III units hardly do any damage. Am I missing something?

[baloo7777]

I have long felt, in this mod, that tanks (especially Heavy Tanks unsupported by infantry) are seriously overpowered, and that air power vs armor is seriously underpowered. The answer I've been given most often is that air power was ineffective against armor in the early years of the war.

[cpdeyoung]

In my experience there are good ways to use air power here.

Hit often to build up experience, and do not hit in penny packets. Hit a big pile of units with everything you've got.

Remember this is not an airstrike we are talking about but a one month campaign, it is not unreasonable to commit a large wing to these large hexes.

Chuck

[ironduke1955]

The early years of the 2nd World War the Close Support aircraft and Dive Bombers were used against mass targets like infantry pinpoint accuracy against a tank, was a hard thing to do and the weapons not best designed for it until the Cannon and the rocket were used later in the war High Explosive was the ordnance used, not that effective against even a lightly armoured tank, unless a direct hat was achieved. A Ju87B diving from 10.000 feet was unlikely to hit a tank.

Regards tanks, tank fear was a major factor in the early days of the war, not until infantry equipment was upgraded to Panzerfaust Bazooka did infantry begin to feel they could hit back at tanks. Regards infantry support I feel that the Tank is not pure tank it will have some element of infantry support even if its not shown. Just by virtue of the scale of the game.

[cpdeyoung]

24 July 1939

The United States is trying to build a modern military. We are not looking for a war with anyone, but intend to be ready if one comes.

Being allied to Britain and France while they are at war is part of the pattern of American "support short of war", but the United States knows that their alliance will help calm things in the Far East,

FDR

[ironduke1955]

August 39

The Ist SS Panzer Army and newly formed 7th Infantry Army crossed the Rhone River also capturing Marseille, Cluj in Romania was finally taken after a protracted siege Germany advanced deeper into Poland but no major cities were captured.

[Bombur]

ORIGINAL: ironduke1955

The early years of the 2nd World War the Close Support aircraft and Dive Bombers were used against mass targets like infantry pinpoint accuracy against a tank, was a hard thing to do and the weapons not best designed for it until the Cannon and the rocket were used later in the war High Explosive was the ordnance used, not that effective against even a lightly armoured tank, unless a direct hat was achieved. A Ju87B diving from 10.000 feet was unlikely to hit a tank.

Regards tanks, tank fear was a major factor in the early days of the war, not until infantry equipment was upgraded to Panzerfaust Bazooka did infantry begin to feel they could hit back at tanks. Regards infantry support I feel that the Tank is not pure tank it will have some element of infantry support even if its not shown. Just by virtue of the scale of the game.

-Exactly, that´s why we designed dive bombers with small AT values

[ironduke1955]

Is Bombur in absentia I did not get the message, Japan your up.

[Bombur]

Sorry, guys, I played the turn two days ago and then went out for a mini vacation. Unfortunately, I forgot to cop the turn to the Dropbox. It´s ready now.

[ironduke1955]

I wondered if you had gone to any of the Olympic events, I did check but ATG GD1938 is not a Olympic event, so I just watched the Rugby Sevens instead [:)]

[Bombur]

Rio de Janeiro is too expensive for vacations.....but we had some soccer games here in Belo Horizonte. Anyway, I´m just following the Olympics by TV or Internet. I´m pretty proud we are passed North Korea in the overall ranking, a few days ago....

[ironduke1955]

Congrats on passing North Korea, go Galo[:)]

[LJBurstyn]

France's turn?