Tokyo Rose was a Hussy! Chez (J) vs. Canoe (A)
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Not directly.
Once you have fit engineers, they perform based on having adequate supply and non-interference from enemy forces. Don't see how a HQ commander impacts upon lower echelon units with their own commanders, performing non- combat actions..
Alfred
Once you have fit engineers, they perform based on having adequate supply and non-interference from enemy forces. Don't see how a HQ commander impacts upon lower echelon units with their own commanders, performing non- combat actions..
Alfred
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Thank you, Alfred.
Okay, then I think the plan will be to reserve 150 PP at all times, to be used to replace him immediately in the event of an enemy ground attack against Palembang. Otherwise, I'll just let himl stay in command since he won't have a negative impact on the performance of units in the hex (engineers, AA, etc.).
Okay, then I think the plan will be to reserve 150 PP at all times, to be used to replace him immediately in the event of an enemy ground attack against Palembang. Otherwise, I'll just let himl stay in command since he won't have a negative impact on the performance of units in the hex (engineers, AA, etc.).
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
CR, remember that you can fire that howling dog with fleas anytime, but his replacement may not show up for a few days. I'd drop that worthless cipher as soon as I had 150 points. That way you'll have a new commander in place when the Japs finally attack (if ever). Even if they don't, you'll have a good leader with a useful HQ for the next 6 months. You may well be on the offensive in three, so you'll get a payback either way.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Tell us what you really think of Percival, Princep. [:D]
I can imagine the memo:
To: Gen Percival, Commander, Malayan Army
From: Allied GHQ
Dear Sir,
You are requested and required to remain at your post, but only so long as nothing much important is happening. In the event of Japanese attack, a strong breeze and/or excessive yapping by the camp Pekingnese "Sharpy," you will immediately relinquish command to General A Player to be named later.
That is all.
Sincerely,
Winston
I can imagine the memo:
To: Gen Percival, Commander, Malayan Army
From: Allied GHQ
Dear Sir,
You are requested and required to remain at your post, but only so long as nothing much important is happening. In the event of Japanese attack, a strong breeze and/or excessive yapping by the camp Pekingnese "Sharpy," you will immediately relinquish command to General A Player to be named later.
That is all.
Sincerely,
Winston

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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
That's a good point, princep. Lots of good input from you guys, which I read carefully and thoroughly (but humbly) considered. I am inclined to toss Percival pretty soon, just on principle.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
It seems the IJ player is simply attacking weaker Allied positions rather than pursue an overall plan. What is Pango Pango going to do in terms of securing the resources in the DEI, which is the reason Japan started this mess. I foresee something like the destrcution of army group center once the Allies start ramping up war material and in the hands of a surgeon like canoerebel the IJ will be cut up and cut off .... It will be interesting to read as it unfolds ..
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Cribtop: Now that is funny. Regarding replacing ground commanders, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing a lag.
I did a search and found this from wwengr:
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HQ Leaders
Command Headquarters
Combat Commands - Those in which significant and important battles occur within their command radius. Select leaders on the basis of these priorities:
All other skills have no influence or bearing on the HQ function.
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On this basis, it looks like unless you need to recover disruption or fatigue, there's no need to replace Percival.
Cheers,
CC
I did a search and found this from wwengr:
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HQ Leaders
Command Headquarters
Combat Commands - Those in which significant and important battles occur within their command radius. Select leaders on the basis of these priorities:
- High Administration Skill - This influences the HQ units use of support to reduce fatigue and disruption
- High Land Skill - Influences the Assault Value of LCU's within their radius
- High Inspiration - Influences the Assault Value of LCU's within their radius
All other skills have no influence or bearing on the HQ function.
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On this basis, it looks like unless you need to recover disruption or fatigue, there's no need to replace Percival.
Cheers,
CC
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
ORIGINAL: princep01
CR, remember that you can fire that howling dog with fleas anytime, but his replacement may not show up for a few days. I'd drop that worthless cipher as soon as I had 150 points. That way you'll have a new commander in place when the Japs finally attack (if ever). Even if they don't, you'll have a good leader with a useful HQ for the next 6 months. You may well be on the offensive in three, so you'll get a payback either way.
I wonder how aware princep is of the Service career of Percival or does he base everything on the ratings allocated in a game.
Percival was the wrong person for the command, but how much of the debacle was due to others or just the fact that Britain was being threatened across 30 miles of Channel and in dire battle in the Mid East.
I would drop him as well, as the British Commanders seemed to get low ratings when compared against American Commanders in a similar position in the Phillipines. (I take this back, I'm seeing some good random leaders, both sideds have commanders whose ratings represent the euqipment, training rather than their performance)
My guess, unless you have used him already, is that Cassels rates as the best British commander of this era.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
IMO leader changes take effect immediately, or at worst during an identifiable phase at the end of the game-day resolution of the orders-phase in which they where assigned. They're not at all like those lazy flyboys who mosey their way across the Pacific in their own time, leaving excessive bar-tabs, unwanted pregnancies & random airfield destruction in their wake.ORIGINAL: Commander Cody
correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing a lag.
If Percival has a 5-hex radius, you've got to boot him instantly you come under attack by massed enemy LCU in his command-radius, replace him w/ a commander whose abilities will increase your siege-resistance. But don't go overboard w/ the repl. commander if the HQ is due for withdrawal, & keep those 150PP available but unused until absolutely needed.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
6/26/42
The Allies got a small thing wrong, a small thing right, and a "medium-sized" thing right...and it looks like Japan may be getting a medium-sized thing all wrong.
DEI: The Allies set all bombers at Palembang to six-hex range. Low and behold, BBs Mutsu and Nagato and CA Kumano lead a TF to within six hexes. Unfortunately, the only strike squadron to sortie was a carrier SBD unit that was there to replace lost aircraft. Now I have to wait to make good their losses (something like 12 aircraft were lost for no gain except some expensive intel). Elsewhere in the DEI things remain stable.
SoPac: In the "medium-sized thing right" category, D-Day at Baker Island goes smoothly. Two USA RCT come ashore and easily brush aside the Naval Guard unit defending (it must have been very low on supply). That removes one advance listening post that could have been useful to Japan. One RCT shall remain to garrison the island. The other shall immediately board ship and report to Makin for garrison duty. Meanwhile, in the "one medium-sized thing wrong" category, Japan seems to be in the midst of a major operation involving Pago Pago. Patrols report Japanese carriers (I'm nearly positive this is the detached Mini-KB we monitored as it departed teh Singapore area a month ago) to the SW and two other TFs to the west. No matter what happens at Pago Pago short term and long term, the Japanese are losing this campaign and just ratcheted up the size of the loss with a major misallocation of forces. Pago Pago is indeed Little Vietnam for Steve.
CenPac: In the "minor thing right" category, my hunch that the CL Jintsu TF might show up at Tarawa proved accurate. Fortunately, I had moved everything out except one xAK. Now that I'm pretty sure the area is free of enemy carriers, I can move more expeditiously in the various reinforcement and resupply missions that are going on all over the place. I can also deploy Warspite and Wasp more aggressively to deal with Jintsu. That's more important than it sounds. If the Allies crush the Jintsu TF leaving Steve without a decent naval force in this region, he'll have to "call me and raise" if he's going to counter Warspite. Also, I want to use Wasp effectively and then transfer her to NoPac, where she'll be needed in about a month. Finally, once the Allies get all the reinforcements and supply ashore to the various bases, I have enough aircraft in the region to handle local defense against anything except an all-out commitment by the Japanese.
NoPac: Quiet up here still. Two P-38 squadrons arrive at San Fran in coming weeks. I plan to transfer them to the Aleutians. Eventually, the plan is to bring to Paramushiro supplies and reinforcements under cover of those land-based fighters while Wasp stands off to provide some LRCAP. I'm not sure Steve is going to give me another month to pull this together, but that's the working plan.
Burma: The Allied army at Toungoo is retiring in combat mode and should clear the hex in three more days.
The Allies got a small thing wrong, a small thing right, and a "medium-sized" thing right...and it looks like Japan may be getting a medium-sized thing all wrong.
DEI: The Allies set all bombers at Palembang to six-hex range. Low and behold, BBs Mutsu and Nagato and CA Kumano lead a TF to within six hexes. Unfortunately, the only strike squadron to sortie was a carrier SBD unit that was there to replace lost aircraft. Now I have to wait to make good their losses (something like 12 aircraft were lost for no gain except some expensive intel). Elsewhere in the DEI things remain stable.
SoPac: In the "medium-sized thing right" category, D-Day at Baker Island goes smoothly. Two USA RCT come ashore and easily brush aside the Naval Guard unit defending (it must have been very low on supply). That removes one advance listening post that could have been useful to Japan. One RCT shall remain to garrison the island. The other shall immediately board ship and report to Makin for garrison duty. Meanwhile, in the "one medium-sized thing wrong" category, Japan seems to be in the midst of a major operation involving Pago Pago. Patrols report Japanese carriers (I'm nearly positive this is the detached Mini-KB we monitored as it departed teh Singapore area a month ago) to the SW and two other TFs to the west. No matter what happens at Pago Pago short term and long term, the Japanese are losing this campaign and just ratcheted up the size of the loss with a major misallocation of forces. Pago Pago is indeed Little Vietnam for Steve.
CenPac: In the "minor thing right" category, my hunch that the CL Jintsu TF might show up at Tarawa proved accurate. Fortunately, I had moved everything out except one xAK. Now that I'm pretty sure the area is free of enemy carriers, I can move more expeditiously in the various reinforcement and resupply missions that are going on all over the place. I can also deploy Warspite and Wasp more aggressively to deal with Jintsu. That's more important than it sounds. If the Allies crush the Jintsu TF leaving Steve without a decent naval force in this region, he'll have to "call me and raise" if he's going to counter Warspite. Also, I want to use Wasp effectively and then transfer her to NoPac, where she'll be needed in about a month. Finally, once the Allies get all the reinforcements and supply ashore to the various bases, I have enough aircraft in the region to handle local defense against anything except an all-out commitment by the Japanese.
NoPac: Quiet up here still. Two P-38 squadrons arrive at San Fran in coming weeks. I plan to transfer them to the Aleutians. Eventually, the plan is to bring to Paramushiro supplies and reinforcements under cover of those land-based fighters while Wasp stands off to provide some LRCAP. I'm not sure Steve is going to give me another month to pull this together, but that's the working plan.
Burma: The Allied army at Toungoo is retiring in combat mode and should clear the hex in three more days.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Wow - he does have a strange fixation on peripheral operations (or cock-ups, at the case may be). It'll be interesting to see what carrier assets he commits there, which should give you very valuable intel on what is left back in the DEI.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
06/27/42
A sharp surface battle took place at Oosthaven as Mutsu, Nagato, four CAs, and 10 DDs clashed with three Allied combat TFs that included four BB, one BC, and a large number of CA, CL, and DD. The successive battles were bloody for both sides. More Allied ships suffered damage, but more big Japanese ships suffered major damage:
Allied Ships in Sinking Condition: CA Astoria, DDs Parrot and Evertson, DMS Southard.
Allied Ships Requiring Yard Work: BB New Mexico, BB Royal Sovereign, BC Repulse, CAs San Francisco, Devonshire, and Indianapolis, CLs Achilles, Java and Leander; and DDs Perkins and Preston.
Japanese Ships Sunk: BB Mutsu, CA Chokai, DDs Tatsuzuke and Hatsukaze.
Japanese Ships in Sinking Condition: CA Kumano, DD Unyuko.
Japanese Ships Requiring Yard Work: BB Nagato, CA Takao, CA Atago.
What this Means for the Allies: The Allies originally had eight BB/BC available in the DEI. That number is down to four (BB Ramilles has been at Capetown for months with two months of repairs to go). Most of the ships engaged will have to retire to Colombo to replenish or for repairs. While they are absent, the Allies have three other combat TFs, though smaller, that will have to handle the defense of Sumatra.
What this Means for Japan: The Japanese will actually have a window of opportunity while Allied combatants replenish at Colombo, but I don't think Steve will realize this, nor is he prepared to exploit it. He was not expecting such a battle (he's lamenting his poor patrols in an email). He will not trust his patrols to tell him what's in the vicinity. More importantly, this is a serious attrition of IJN sea power. To this point, Japan has lost three BB and four CA, with a BB and two more CA possibly needing yard work. With four CAs committed in NoPac, and another plus a BB in SoPac, plus whatever is escorting the KB, Japan's sea power in the DEI has eroded considerably.
What this Means for the Game: To be candid, this was a major blunder by Japan. Steve has been proceeding very carefully in the DEI since the very bad (for him) Battle of Andaman Sea in April. I was worried that his next move would be coordinated, overwhelming, and decisive. Instead, it turned out to be probing, risky, and underwhelming. Two months after Andaman Sea, it seems that he isn't sure how he is going to handle Sumatra. That uncertainty cost him.
More about the turn tomorrow morning.
A sharp surface battle took place at Oosthaven as Mutsu, Nagato, four CAs, and 10 DDs clashed with three Allied combat TFs that included four BB, one BC, and a large number of CA, CL, and DD. The successive battles were bloody for both sides. More Allied ships suffered damage, but more big Japanese ships suffered major damage:
Allied Ships in Sinking Condition: CA Astoria, DDs Parrot and Evertson, DMS Southard.
Allied Ships Requiring Yard Work: BB New Mexico, BB Royal Sovereign, BC Repulse, CAs San Francisco, Devonshire, and Indianapolis, CLs Achilles, Java and Leander; and DDs Perkins and Preston.
Japanese Ships Sunk: BB Mutsu, CA Chokai, DDs Tatsuzuke and Hatsukaze.
Japanese Ships in Sinking Condition: CA Kumano, DD Unyuko.
Japanese Ships Requiring Yard Work: BB Nagato, CA Takao, CA Atago.
What this Means for the Allies: The Allies originally had eight BB/BC available in the DEI. That number is down to four (BB Ramilles has been at Capetown for months with two months of repairs to go). Most of the ships engaged will have to retire to Colombo to replenish or for repairs. While they are absent, the Allies have three other combat TFs, though smaller, that will have to handle the defense of Sumatra.
What this Means for Japan: The Japanese will actually have a window of opportunity while Allied combatants replenish at Colombo, but I don't think Steve will realize this, nor is he prepared to exploit it. He was not expecting such a battle (he's lamenting his poor patrols in an email). He will not trust his patrols to tell him what's in the vicinity. More importantly, this is a serious attrition of IJN sea power. To this point, Japan has lost three BB and four CA, with a BB and two more CA possibly needing yard work. With four CAs committed in NoPac, and another plus a BB in SoPac, plus whatever is escorting the KB, Japan's sea power in the DEI has eroded considerably.
What this Means for the Game: To be candid, this was a major blunder by Japan. Steve has been proceeding very carefully in the DEI since the very bad (for him) Battle of Andaman Sea in April. I was worried that his next move would be coordinated, overwhelming, and decisive. Instead, it turned out to be probing, risky, and underwhelming. Two months after Andaman Sea, it seems that he isn't sure how he is going to handle Sumatra. That uncertainty cost him.
More about the turn tomorrow morning.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Any chance you'll be able to utilize some of your airpower to finish off the cripples (or at least inflict some more suffering)?
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
The time at which both CR and Chez will enter the "Allies are on the strategic offensive" stage of the game just dropped from three game months to two months. I don't know what you are planning nor do I wish for you to reveal it here, but I hope you are prepping for major offensive moves starting around September. The time for Dugout Doug mentality is nearing an end. The Halsey Hellraisers stage is at hand. What is it Nemo is so fond of saying.....a change in the "ooguulloo" loop for both players has arrived?
Kudos on the sinking of Mutsu and Chokai. Can Astoria be saved by a quick pump out at Palembang? Again, nicely done.
Kudos on the sinking of Mutsu and Chokai. Can Astoria be saved by a quick pump out at Palembang? Again, nicely done.
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Due to a lull in WITE due to an upcoming patch I wandered back over to AE and read your AAR and was quite impressed by the results of your campaign.
I am however perplexed at your opponents play. It would be interesting to know what his thought process has been. Most Axis players are aware what happens when you let Java/Sumatra "cook" for to long and surely he has read most of the AARS that give hints to the strategic impact of not being aggressive enough early as Japan.
Reading these AARs is bringing back the AE itch!
I am however perplexed at your opponents play. It would be interesting to know what his thought process has been. Most Axis players are aware what happens when you let Java/Sumatra "cook" for to long and surely he has read most of the AARS that give hints to the strategic impact of not being aggressive enough early as Japan.
Reading these AARs is bringing back the AE itch!
RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
He was probably looking forward to slaughtering a bunch of shipping, covered by perhaps a smattering of destroyers. At this point, he may try to bring down the KB to try to catch your surface forces, but given the number of fighters you can provide for air cover, that would also be a mistake at this point as well.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Or perhaps he was going for a full out Nuke bombardment of Oosthaven in hopes of eliminating a large prtion of the Allied Airpower before it could come to bear. It is interesting that even though WWII was the point where the CV eclipsed the BB as the premier fighting ship, both sides still needed ther BB's to do one thing: oppose the other side's BB's. The Japanese only get twelve BB's in the entire OOB. I think they only have 22 CA's (IIRC). The USN alone gets 12 fast BB's not counting the old BB's. COnsidering the Cleveland and Brookly class CL's are just as good as the IJN CA's and it is a bad thing for the IJN to have its surface forces whittled away so early
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Yes, the IJN capital ships are Japan's Achilles Heel. No way Steve can afford to fritter them away, but that's what's happened over the past two months.
Confirmed that Astoria and one DD went under. Only a few other Allied ships are in trouble, including DMS Southard. BB New Mexico has moderately heavy damage, but will be safe unless she encounters a sub on the way to Colombo. Many of the Allied ships are in good shape and will need just a few days in the yards.
Confirmed that Mutsu, Chokai and two DD went under. I'm pretty sure that Kumano will also ("heavy fires/heavy damage"). Nagato took enough damage to require some yard time. Japan gets 18 CAs (plus some CS)., so losing any of them is big news.
Elsewhere, quite. No sign of the Mini IB near Pago Pago, but IJN shipping is drawing closer. I think this is probably a major reinforcement effort.
Confirmed that Astoria and one DD went under. Only a few other Allied ships are in trouble, including DMS Southard. BB New Mexico has moderately heavy damage, but will be safe unless she encounters a sub on the way to Colombo. Many of the Allied ships are in good shape and will need just a few days in the yards.
Confirmed that Mutsu, Chokai and two DD went under. I'm pretty sure that Kumano will also ("heavy fires/heavy damage"). Nagato took enough damage to require some yard time. Japan gets 18 CAs (plus some CS)., so losing any of them is big news.
Elsewhere, quite. No sign of the Mini IB near Pago Pago, but IJN shipping is drawing closer. I think this is probably a major reinforcement effort.
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RE: Das darf nicht var sein!
Of course, reinforcing exactly where you want him to & not where he needs to. Even if he does succeed in taking Pago-Pago, it doesn't get him anything (other than a long vulnerable supply line, which is now compromised by your CentPac invasions).
It does seem that he is husbanding his AF, which could prove problematic when he does officially start the Sumatran campaign, but if his surface forces have been chipped away at - and if you can surprise his surface forces in the Gilberts (or at PP again), he's going to be headed back to empty cabboards.
It does seem that he is husbanding his AF, which could prove problematic when he does officially start the Sumatran campaign, but if his surface forces have been chipped away at - and if you can surprise his surface forces in the Gilberts (or at PP again), he's going to be headed back to empty cabboards.
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