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[WanderingHead]

ORIGINAL: BenTaylor
The Portuguese allowed the British to operate from the Azores during the war didn't they? Britain invoked the Anglo-Portuguese Alliance of 1373 - odd but true.

Perhaps this should be some kind of possibility without occupying mainland Portugal but I don't know if the game mechanics currently allow this.

Yes, this occurred in 1943.

A random political event could accomplish it, for example.

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	prerequisites
 		Portugal is neutral, pro-allied
 		Azores is neutral controlled (i.e. jas not already been captured by someone)
 		Spain is neutral
 		USA is at war
 		Gibraltar, England, Scotland are all WA controlled
 	probability
 		25%
 	effect
 		Azores become WA controlled, Portugal spawns 2 militia (no poli status change)

The idea for the spawning of militia in Portugal is just to make subsequent invasion a little harder.

[Petiloup]

This is all nice about thinking of how much defense would dether an attack against Portugal and for that matter on Spain but with all forgetting the uncertitude of attacking a country.

We see in AWD obviously that Spain is not that strong but what about WW2 realities? Attacking Spain mean getting a nationalist response as you can see with Iraq now. Spain is well known since Napoleons War to be a difficult terrain, easy to use for Guerilla actions with still the Pyrheneans mountains to cross not counting that besides Gibraltar a tiny rock there are no friendly lands anywhere.

For Operation Torch in 1942 the Allies did attack French North Africa with mostly troops that would side with them but not at the beginning. There was even places where the Frenchies did made quite a stand off. In that campaign you can see how many troops did Germany succesfully bring into Tunisia almost putting the Allies front in difficulty with the attack through Kasserine.

In Spain the German would have had a friendly country, widely spread ground supply line to use and another army to draw units and Torch was done with US troops not only British one.

Maybe just maybe Portugal was never seen as a target because Spain was not an obvious easy target as in AWD.

Landing in Portugal would probably trigger to things. 1 Spain turning to Germany for help right away, 2 Spain mobilizing all she can as troops.

Those 2 events might be just what you need to make this whole issue gone.

On the side of the Azores it would indeed be best to create an event that represents this and make Azores an Allied base at one moment in the game.

PS: Wasn't Portugal a fascit country also by definition during WW2?

[BenTaylor]

Nice one Wandering Head that is a good adjustment.

The only suspicion I have is that the Portuguese Dictator Salazar only allowed this by 1943 because he then realised the Allies were going to win - but I don't have any historical evidence for this.
And I think that by 1943 the uboat war had turned in the UK's favour.
Not sure how to balance that.

[BenTaylor]

Polonthi

I think your suggestion that Spain mobilises and goes axis on an Allied Portuguese invasion is good for the start of the war - but in a later period they might have gone over to the Allies if they thought Germany was crumbling. How would we model that?