Historical Scenarios

[rickier65]

MR, I've read through the criteria you use for historical, semi-historical, and fictional.

It's pretty conservative. But at least you do have some hard and fast criteria to use. Based on your criteria there would seem to be very few historical scenarios.

I agree with you on the difficulty of pinning down the data needed to satisfy your historical classification. Espcially on Russian Front (though on this scale it's difficult anywhere). I had a set of topos at one time, but it's amazingly difficult to read them in Russian (MM's GE interface has really helped in that respect). But just as hard is getting Russian OOB information. Seems to be a number of sources for low-level German OOB's, but not so much for Russian forces at this level of detail.

On one thread you mentioned a CM ladder (6 people I think) where is that?

Rick

[benpark]

ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

ORIGINAL: benpark

What are you complaining about? We just found your town. It seems to have upset you. Maybe your point is that you don't like the map maker. Fine, don't use it.

I'm not complaining. I knew where it was.

I'm not upset, nor am I ranting about anything.

This is a thread about how to make and research historical scenarios.

My premise in the first post of this thread is that there are times when you don't have all the information as accurately as you would like. That shouldn't stop you from making a scenario.

Your post in my Bussard scenario thread was that if designers spent a bit more time and money they could do them right.\

A truce if you will.

Good Hunting.

MR

Truce, fine- but the "war" was all on your side. I had no problem with you.

You took one tiny element of something I had written and turned it into something far out of proportion to what it was. More money helps purchase things like books etc. More time allows for research. We do with what we have. I have a deficit of both at times. That doesn't hinder my interest in moving forward with researching something. I did not write that these things are absolutely necessary for what you do , I do. I also wrote a lot of other things as well. None are untrue, but not all are within our grasp at all times. So no need to be upset about it, right?

What I don't appreciate is personal snipes and wasting my time. If you knew where the place was, don't ask others to find it for you to prove an imaginary point. If you may have noticed, I'm trying to redo the trees for this game (amongst other things). This is a LARGE job and takes LOTS of time. It's less than fun, and I have little free time left for a while. To be sent on a wild goose chase for your entertainment is...not cool, friendo. I have little patience for wasting time in any aspect of my life. I was attempting to help you so that you could do some work on one of your scenarios. That's an abuse of my good will towards you. To find out that this all was to "prove a point" is well, pointless.

As to your basic premise that the map maker can't find the exact position of battles, I believe through experience that it does a very good job. Will there be things it can't do, sure. I made a terrain map of your battle area last night in about 10 minutes. The actual height of the area of the town. Like I said before, closer is better than farther as far as terrain goes. If you made a map that was 1k off from the actual locale rather than 10k, that's pretty good to me. To not learn it as a scenario designer is an unfortunate decision.

That's all for me for a while.

[Erik Rutins]

Thanks Ben.

To everyone: I just want to add in general that the less friction we have, the better. I'd hate to lose any of the talented volunteers that have contributed so much to Panzer Command of their own free time and good will. It's not worth letting personalities or egos get in the way of some of the amazing stuff we can do here together.

We can help each other without stepping on toes, remember that the internet is a very poor medium for judging people's intentions or inner thoughts. Always assume the best until proven otherwise. Constructive criticism should always be taken as a compliment, that the person offering it had enough interest in your work to post.

Steve seems to be trying to bury the hatchet. Let's get back to the fun stuff.

Regards,

- Erik

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: benpark

Truce, fine- but the "war" was all on your side. I had no problem with you.

I can see that.

What I don't appreciate is personal snipes and wasting my time. If you knew where the place was, don't ask others to find it for you to prove an imaginary point.

The point is far from imaginary. Nor was there a personal snipe at anyone. What you said about the money and the time, may have been an off hand remark to you, but it can keep gamers with 3 books in their library from even thinking about making scenarios. I fight that fight all the time with new scenario designers.

If you may have noticed, I'm trying to redo the trees for this game (amongst other things). This is a LARGE job and takes LOTS of time. It's less than fun, and I have little free time left for a while.

I know that your aware that I've posted in that thread. Nothing is more valuable than free time. That's my own quote. I'm well aware of the value we put on what we give away.

To be sent on a wild goose chase for your entertainment is...not cool, friendo.

Sorry you choose to look at that as a wild goose chase. It certainly wasn't for my entertainment. I said I knew where it was. I wanted to see if there was enough detail to do a historical map.

The one thing that came out of it, for me, is exactly one of my main points. There is, from what I've seen, no possible way to do a map of that village for a scenario. The best I ever saw was a single line. Now back to the discussion that started this tread in the first place....how is that going to be historical?

How is map maker going to make that okay? I don't think it can.

I'm not on some kind of vendetta attack here on map maker. My one and only statement about map maker concerning historical scenarios is that it is only as good as your ability to find the locations you're looking for. If you can't map maker can't magically conjure it up for you.

I have little patience for wasting time in any aspect of my life. I was attempting to help you so that you could do some work on one of your scenarios. That's an abuse of my good will towards you. To find out that this all was to "prove a point" is well, pointless.

Well since you didn't know what my goal was I'm very interested to see that you know it's all pointless. I consider all the help a great assist in this particular scenario. As I said from what I see I'll more than likely use the map you directed me to a blowtorch scenarios. If you look you'll see some HSG scenarios on that site as well.

As to your basic premise that the map maker can't find the exact position of battles, I believe through experience that it does a very good job. Will there be things it can't do, sure. I made a terrain map of your battle area last night in about 10 minutes. The actual height of the area of the town. Like I said before, closer is better than farther as far as terrain goes. If you made a map that was 1k off from the actual locale rather than 10k, that's pretty good to me. To not learn it as a scenario designer is an unfortunate decision.

That's all for me for a while.

That's all for me on this subject period.

Good Hunting.

MR

[benpark]

Friends, then.

I will be happy to make a map for you for a future scenario.

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: benpark

Friends, then.

I will be happy to make a map for you for a future scenario.

There was one thing I did forget to say in all that earlier...

Thanks to those that supplied answers and tried to help.


All of you. It's greatly appreciated.

The offer to help with scenarios goes both ways. As I've mentioned before Mobius and I have collaborated on some scenarios already.

In CM I guess I've helped others with far more scenarios than I ever produced on my own. Hopefully we can get that same kind of a situation going here for PC.

Good Hunting.

MR

[mansim]

Are there any people interested in interactive medieval historical battles? For example a website where you could create any army battle, as it was in history and watch the fight?