Allied AAR
Planes
The planes are not important, in the time it takes to repair the CV plenty of new planes. Pilots on the other hand...... (I know plenty of new pilots will be trained but it is a shame to lose these ones since they proved they could do the job) I think lifeguard subs should be allowed (station subs in battle zone to pick up downed pilots-also PBY resuce) The demands of the wanna be player are endless.........
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Alright, here's a trivia question...which location in Santa Cruz Islands is best for a base.
A. Ocili
B. Vana
C. Nevea
D. Lomlom
A. Ocili
B. Vana
C. Nevea
D. Lomlom
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"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
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Pilots should not all be lost because the CVs decks are a shambles; that's why DDs were tasked as plane guards. Any ship would have stopped to save them, the allies, anyway. During the battle of the Coral Sea, the Russell and Hammann were both detached to rescue ditched flyers off Guadalcanal after the Yorktown's strike.
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Uncommon Valor
Is this game available to be purchased, I can't find anywhere that its for sale yet by Matrix. Can someone give me the lowdown.
Thanks.
Thanks.
Ron Saueracker: Maybe I made it sound worse than it actually was...I would say I saw about 20 pilots being captured, crashing, etc.
I'm not sure what happened to the rest, maybe they go back into the universal pilot pool or something. Regardless of what happened to them, I was trying to make the point that it was a disasterous loss of aircraft
I'm not sure what happened to the rest, maybe they go back into the universal pilot pool or something. Regardless of what happened to them, I was trying to make the point that it was a disasterous loss of aircraft
"Money doesnt talk, it swears. Obscenities, who really cares?" -Bob Dylan
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
Marine: We are all anxiously awaiting its release. It might go gold this very week...
"Money doesnt talk, it swears. Obscenities, who really cares?" -Bob Dylan
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
Re: Uncommon Valor
Sorry but it's due to be released very shortly. I hope because this is torture and strictly against the Geneva Convention of 1999 as it relates to war gamesOriginally posted by Marine
Is this game available to be purchased, I can't find anywhere that its for sale yet by Matrix. Can someone give me the lowdown.
Thanks.
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Marine,
Not yet, I'm afraid.... Its about to go gold, most likely sometime this week (we all hope!). I'd guess that UV will be shipping by the end of april, first week of may. Let me say that I am not involved with Matrix in any way, so that is just my opinion. I base it on comments made by beta testers and matriz staff, but again, I have no inside info.
She promises to be a beaut though!
Not yet, I'm afraid.... Its about to go gold, most likely sometime this week (we all hope!). I'd guess that UV will be shipping by the end of april, first week of may. Let me say that I am not involved with Matrix in any way, so that is just my opinion. I base it on comments made by beta testers and matriz staff, but again, I have no inside info.
She promises to be a beaut though!
"The Paraguayan Air Force's request for spraying subsidies was not as Paraguayan as it were..."
Alright, here's a trivia question...which location in Santa Cruz Islands is best for a base.
A. Ocili
B. Vana
C. Nevea
D. Lomlom
I pick Nevea 'cause it's closest to Lunga and I know that it is rated for at least a size 1 airfield. I don't know how the others are rated. I haven't checked them. IF any of them are rated bigger I take it
Iain Christie
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"If patience is a virtue then persistence is it's part.
It's better to light a candle than stand and curse the dark"
- James Keelaghan
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"If patience is a virtue then persistence is it's part.
It's better to light a candle than stand and curse the dark"
- James Keelaghan
Morale
If possible occupy Vana, build an airfield and name it 'White Field"
then after war when someone asks your veterans what they did during war they can answer "I spent 8 months on Vana White"
or "I landed on Vana White" etc etc:eek:
then after war when someone asks your veterans what they did during war they can answer "I spent 8 months on Vana White"
or "I landed on Vana White" etc etc:eek:
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
End of May through Late June
This was definitely a period of rebuilding, consolidating and reinforcing. I'm feeling pretty good about the defense in New Guinea, aside from the total lack of naval firepower available. The Chicago, Australia and Hobart have been relegated to escort duty along with the five or so destroyers.
It's going to be a waiting game for a little while, to see what the Japanese plans are and watch the calendar waiting for my carriers to arrive. Also, following Mogami and IChristie's advice, I will build bases at Rennell and Santa Cruz Is.
May 27th, 1942: This day was marked by another Japanese naval bombardment of Gili Gili, which did significant damage to the airfield.
May 29th, 1942: A convoy from Brisbane delivering supplies to Gili Gili is intercepted by a Japanese surface task force. They have 5 CAs, 1 CL and 5 DDs. I've got 3 APs and 2 AKs. After a brief fight the transports manage to slip away into the darkness, but not until after receiving heavy damage to two of the APs.
May 31st, 1942: A unit of New Zealand Engineers arrives at Noumea, and I order them along with an Anti Aircraft unit and a RCT from the Americal Division to Rennell Island.
I also create a Task Force with 2 CAs (New Orleans and Portland, I believe) and 4 DDs and order them to be based out of Luganville. I will use them from there to bombard Lunga.
Checking the schedule, I see the Enterprise and Hornet are due to arrive in 18 days. Hooray!
June 1st, 1942: My cruiser task force catches an AP and 2 PCs off of Lunga, and sinks the AP (Argentina Maru). They then bombard Lunga quite nicely and escape without any damage being done inflicted on them.
June 6th, 1942: Same cruiser task force catches a Minesweeper at Lunga and sinks her. No damage done to cruiser task force.
I check Rennell and see that construction is underway. We have 1200 Infantry, 86 Guns and 5400 support troops on the island.
June 8th, 1942: A significant event this day, which would be repeated quite a few times but caught me by surprise the first time it happened: A 100 plane raid on Port Moresby, from Rabaul.
Granted, 76 of the planes were Zeros, but I still thought this was a big attack and it did significant damage to the airfield.
June 10th, 1942: My cruiser task force raids Lunga once more, this time catching 5 APs and a MSW. We sink 3 APs, each of them busy unloading elements of the Japanese 144th Regiment.
Also, I am caught by surprise by the AI, as the IJN bombards Rennell Island (which doesn't even have a base yet, per se.) Obviously they've recognized the threat I am trying to create for Lunga, and they plan on stopping me.
June 12th, 1942: S-42 is caught by Japanese destroyers and sunk.
S-47 hits a Japanese Oiler.
June 13th, 1942: An immense air attack from CARRIER BORN aircraft hits the Owen Stanleys, and hits the Kanga force hard. 139 Planes took place in the attack, and none were lost. Almost 500 casualties among my ground forces. Ouch.
We spot the 3 task forces lurking in the Bismark Sea where the attacks were launched from. At least 4 Carriers are present, according to our patrol planes.
June 14th, 1942: Hudsons from Port Moresby attack the Japanese carriers and are all shot down. However, we identify the Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga and Akagi. I predicted they would make an appearance, but it's still bad news.
Also, we get confirmation from Sigint that the Shoho has been removed from Japan's list of active ships.
June 16th, 1942: I look at the Schedule...only 3 days until the Enterprise and Hornet arrive. Also, the Saratoga will be arriving in 18 days. That's a relief.
I move 3 Marauder Airgroups to Port Moresby hoping they will do better at Naval Interdiction than the Hudsons.
June 17th, 1942: Confirmation that the Shokaku is also sunk.
June 18th, 1942: Japanese carriers get close enough to Port Moresby and we attack with 34 Marauders and 10 Hudsons. We only manage to get 2 250lb bomb hits on the Kaga, neither doing any critical damage. Lots of our bombers are shot down.
An ugly incident at Rennell Island. We have two task forces unloading supplies, when a Japanese surface task force shows up. It is comprised of the Nachi, Atago, Nagara, and 9 DDs. Their first target is a TF with 4 AP, 4 APD and 4 DD. Night combat at 8000 Yards.
AP Harris is sunk. AP Hunger Ligget is sunk. AP Calvert is sunk.
Insignificant damage to the Japanese ships.
Then the same Japanese TF catches 3 Oilers unloading fuel at Rennell. They sink the Kankakee, and heavily damage the Tappahanock and Sabine.
S-37 is sunk by destroyers near Gasmata.
S-42 attacks the CA Maya, and misses. Destroyer escorts sink the S-42.
More Japanese air attacks from Rabaul and their carriers, hit Port Moresby and Gili Gili. Over 1000 casualties to the ground troops at those two locations over the last couple of days.
Things aren't going well, but our carriers are on the way.
Tonight I play some more. I plan on waiting for the Saratoga to show up before the Enterprise or Hornet will leave Noumea.
Any more advice for me?
It's going to be a waiting game for a little while, to see what the Japanese plans are and watch the calendar waiting for my carriers to arrive. Also, following Mogami and IChristie's advice, I will build bases at Rennell and Santa Cruz Is.
May 27th, 1942: This day was marked by another Japanese naval bombardment of Gili Gili, which did significant damage to the airfield.
May 29th, 1942: A convoy from Brisbane delivering supplies to Gili Gili is intercepted by a Japanese surface task force. They have 5 CAs, 1 CL and 5 DDs. I've got 3 APs and 2 AKs. After a brief fight the transports manage to slip away into the darkness, but not until after receiving heavy damage to two of the APs.
May 31st, 1942: A unit of New Zealand Engineers arrives at Noumea, and I order them along with an Anti Aircraft unit and a RCT from the Americal Division to Rennell Island.
I also create a Task Force with 2 CAs (New Orleans and Portland, I believe) and 4 DDs and order them to be based out of Luganville. I will use them from there to bombard Lunga.
Checking the schedule, I see the Enterprise and Hornet are due to arrive in 18 days. Hooray!
June 1st, 1942: My cruiser task force catches an AP and 2 PCs off of Lunga, and sinks the AP (Argentina Maru). They then bombard Lunga quite nicely and escape without any damage being done inflicted on them.
June 6th, 1942: Same cruiser task force catches a Minesweeper at Lunga and sinks her. No damage done to cruiser task force.
I check Rennell and see that construction is underway. We have 1200 Infantry, 86 Guns and 5400 support troops on the island.
June 8th, 1942: A significant event this day, which would be repeated quite a few times but caught me by surprise the first time it happened: A 100 plane raid on Port Moresby, from Rabaul.
Granted, 76 of the planes were Zeros, but I still thought this was a big attack and it did significant damage to the airfield.
June 10th, 1942: My cruiser task force raids Lunga once more, this time catching 5 APs and a MSW. We sink 3 APs, each of them busy unloading elements of the Japanese 144th Regiment.
Also, I am caught by surprise by the AI, as the IJN bombards Rennell Island (which doesn't even have a base yet, per se.) Obviously they've recognized the threat I am trying to create for Lunga, and they plan on stopping me.
June 12th, 1942: S-42 is caught by Japanese destroyers and sunk.
S-47 hits a Japanese Oiler.
June 13th, 1942: An immense air attack from CARRIER BORN aircraft hits the Owen Stanleys, and hits the Kanga force hard. 139 Planes took place in the attack, and none were lost. Almost 500 casualties among my ground forces. Ouch.
We spot the 3 task forces lurking in the Bismark Sea where the attacks were launched from. At least 4 Carriers are present, according to our patrol planes.
June 14th, 1942: Hudsons from Port Moresby attack the Japanese carriers and are all shot down. However, we identify the Hiryu, Soryu, Kaga and Akagi. I predicted they would make an appearance, but it's still bad news.
Also, we get confirmation from Sigint that the Shoho has been removed from Japan's list of active ships.
June 16th, 1942: I look at the Schedule...only 3 days until the Enterprise and Hornet arrive. Also, the Saratoga will be arriving in 18 days. That's a relief.
I move 3 Marauder Airgroups to Port Moresby hoping they will do better at Naval Interdiction than the Hudsons.
June 17th, 1942: Confirmation that the Shokaku is also sunk.
June 18th, 1942: Japanese carriers get close enough to Port Moresby and we attack with 34 Marauders and 10 Hudsons. We only manage to get 2 250lb bomb hits on the Kaga, neither doing any critical damage. Lots of our bombers are shot down.
An ugly incident at Rennell Island. We have two task forces unloading supplies, when a Japanese surface task force shows up. It is comprised of the Nachi, Atago, Nagara, and 9 DDs. Their first target is a TF with 4 AP, 4 APD and 4 DD. Night combat at 8000 Yards.
AP Harris is sunk. AP Hunger Ligget is sunk. AP Calvert is sunk.
Insignificant damage to the Japanese ships.
Then the same Japanese TF catches 3 Oilers unloading fuel at Rennell. They sink the Kankakee, and heavily damage the Tappahanock and Sabine.
S-37 is sunk by destroyers near Gasmata.
S-42 attacks the CA Maya, and misses. Destroyer escorts sink the S-42.
More Japanese air attacks from Rabaul and their carriers, hit Port Moresby and Gili Gili. Over 1000 casualties to the ground troops at those two locations over the last couple of days.
Things aren't going well, but our carriers are on the way.
Tonight I play some more. I plan on waiting for the Saratoga to show up before the Enterprise or Hornet will leave Noumea.
Any more advice for me?
"Money doesnt talk, it swears. Obscenities, who really cares?" -Bob Dylan
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
All your bases are belong to Japan.
Hi, Well being the king of cowards you are much more active then I would be. When I get to play this campaign I will probly use the first two CV like you did only restrict them to within my LBA. I would do nothing except build bases I already control intill after I had won my Midway. I don't want to build a base and have Japan capture it. I don't want things i can't protect hang out for Jap CV/surface force to gobble up. The allies start outnumbered and on the defensive. I wouold just turn porcipine on my large bases. Priority would be
1 Noumea/New Cal 2. Espirtu 3. Morsby
when I was sure they were secure I would then go to garrison Gilli to where the Jap would have to use at least a division to take it.
The basic plan would be to wait while the Japanese used their supply building bases I will capture once I get rid of their CV.. If you never defeat the CV your not going to have any luck expanding/capturing enemy bases. If you build your bases they will come to you.
1 Noumea/New Cal 2. Espirtu 3. Morsby
when I was sure they were secure I would then go to garrison Gilli to where the Jap would have to use at least a division to take it.
The basic plan would be to wait while the Japanese used their supply building bases I will capture once I get rid of their CV.. If you never defeat the CV your not going to have any luck expanding/capturing enemy bases. If you build your bases they will come to you.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
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Nothing good comes from saying "I told you so". Heehee
Building up Rennel is looking like a very expensive proposition. I think it's a goner. Leave the New Zealanders to their fate...just like every other dominion unit was treated historically (a sad part of British history), unless they can be evacuated without too much loss. Ndeni is fine as it's a conservative move and will place Heavy LB air within efficient range of Lunga once developed.
I'd suspend any further bombardments of Lunga now that Nagumo has shown up unless you are interested in the creation of manmade coral reefs.
That carrier trade off earlier was favourable, despite having the carriers attack too close to IJN LBA (darn AI) and losing aircrew. Had they not chased IJN CVs up the slot, maybe Lex would have avoided that sub and made it to ES.
Japanese use of CV air against LCU in Owen Stanley's is a retarded waste of aircrew and aircraft.
Any word on the Wasp? May as well wait for her before attempting another carrier battle, Snigbert, unless she's months away. More chance to damage IJN CVs and more USN CVs to spread out incoming attacks, hopefully sparing a couple of decks for later.
S 42. Sunk on June 12 and again on June 18? TypeO or bug?
Why was it neccessary to use fleet oilers to supply Rennel? Can't other less valuable assets be used, like APDs?
Patience and the husbanding of forces is a virtue, as you have Rosie the Riveter on your side.
I'd suspend any further bombardments of Lunga now that Nagumo has shown up unless you are interested in the creation of manmade coral reefs.
That carrier trade off earlier was favourable, despite having the carriers attack too close to IJN LBA (darn AI) and losing aircrew. Had they not chased IJN CVs up the slot, maybe Lex would have avoided that sub and made it to ES.
Japanese use of CV air against LCU in Owen Stanley's is a retarded waste of aircrew and aircraft.
Any word on the Wasp? May as well wait for her before attempting another carrier battle, Snigbert, unless she's months away. More chance to damage IJN CVs and more USN CVs to spread out incoming attacks, hopefully sparing a couple of decks for later.
S 42. Sunk on June 12 and again on June 18? TypeO or bug?
Why was it neccessary to use fleet oilers to supply Rennel? Can't other less valuable assets be used, like APDs?
Patience and the husbanding of forces is a virtue, as you have Rosie the Riveter on your side.
Yammas from The Apo-Tiki Lounge. Future site of WITP AE benders! And then the s--t hit the fan
Must have written down the wrong sub number...S-42 wasn't sunk twice.
I don't want to give up Rennell yet. I have a regiment of the Americal there. If they want to try and take it I'm going to make them fight for it.
I agree that attacking Kanga force was a waste of energy, but then again they didn't lose a single plane in the attack and they inflicted about 500 casualties or so. It seems like they're taking a lot of chances operating their carriers within striking distance of Port Moresby. So far it has only been luck that has prevented them from taking a beating from my B-26s.
I don't want to give up Rennell yet. I have a regiment of the Americal there. If they want to try and take it I'm going to make them fight for it.
I agree that attacking Kanga force was a waste of energy, but then again they didn't lose a single plane in the attack and they inflicted about 500 casualties or so. It seems like they're taking a lot of chances operating their carriers within striking distance of Port Moresby. So far it has only been luck that has prevented them from taking a beating from my B-26s.
"Money doesnt talk, it swears. Obscenities, who really cares?" -Bob Dylan
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
"Habit is the balast that chains a dog to it's vomit." -Samuel Becket
"He has weapons of mass destruction- the world's deadliest weapons- which pose a direct threat to the
Advance warning
Just a little advance warning to my future PBEM friends.
I do not use CV's to attack land targets, the exception is to strike shipping in a port that my LBA has knocked the airfield out.
(and then only maybe) My belief is pilots trained to attack moving ships should attack moving ships. Pilots trained to make holes in dirt should make holes in dirt, (they also make good fighter bait to help the naval pilots)
I do not use CV's to attack land targets, the exception is to strike shipping in a port that my LBA has knocked the airfield out.
(and then only maybe) My belief is pilots trained to attack moving ships should attack moving ships. Pilots trained to make holes in dirt should make holes in dirt, (they also make good fighter bait to help the naval pilots)
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Re: Advance warning
Of course if the Japanese had thought a little less this way and droped some bombs in the drydocks and fuel farm at Pearl Harbor, we might all be eating Sushi and driving Toyotas and Hondas here in the US (oh wait, we are doing those things anyway ...).Originally posted by Mogami
I do not use CV's to attack land targets
Re: Re: Advance warning
I've heard that before. Only I look at how fast the US was able to build both from scratch all over the Pacific and wonder?Originally posted by Beckles
Of course if the Japanese had thought a little less this way and droped some bombs in the drydocks and fuel farm at Pearl Harbor, we might all be eating Sushi and driving Toyotas and Hondas here in the US (oh wait, we are doing those things anyway ...).
If the US CV's are not in Port the PH strike is a waste of time.
I'm not retreating, I'm attacking in a different direction!
Re: Re: Advance warning
My suggestion is to build bases as best you can and use the CV to destroy the Japanese transports and oilers. No transports no invasions. This will force the Japanese to pull their ships back to protect the transports, there by releiveing the pressure on your bases and protecting your CVs. Bombard the forward bases to slow down any advance and to force resupply there by exposing the Japanese transports.
Snigbert,
Sorry if I steered you wrong on Rennell. Sounds like quite the hornets nest.
If you can manage to scrape up fast transport groups they might work better for you. The big advantage is that they unload and skedaddle in a night reducing your exposure to the CL sorties. Those big fat AP's hanging around for a week unloading over the beach are just too tempting.
**** Note to prospective island hoppers - If you're planning a surprise raid make sure you send a load of initial supplies - it's a lot harder to get in the second time **********
I'm not sure why you had tankers up there by the way? Unless your planning to use it as refuelling stop...
Those CL's can be a real pain because they are so fast, they are hard to see coming. You might try getting some av support up there and basing some PBY's forward to give you more notice of impending doom.
Mogami,
I thoroughly agree. The game I am playing is living proof. My aircraft (land and naval) rule the waves, but the US bombers take out airfields and ground troops in a way I can't touch.
Sorry if I steered you wrong on Rennell. Sounds like quite the hornets nest.
If you can manage to scrape up fast transport groups they might work better for you. The big advantage is that they unload and skedaddle in a night reducing your exposure to the CL sorties. Those big fat AP's hanging around for a week unloading over the beach are just too tempting.
**** Note to prospective island hoppers - If you're planning a surprise raid make sure you send a load of initial supplies - it's a lot harder to get in the second time **********
I'm not sure why you had tankers up there by the way? Unless your planning to use it as refuelling stop...
Those CL's can be a real pain because they are so fast, they are hard to see coming. You might try getting some av support up there and basing some PBY's forward to give you more notice of impending doom.
Mogami,
I thoroughly agree. The game I am playing is living proof. My aircraft (land and naval) rule the waves, but the US bombers take out airfields and ground troops in a way I can't touch.
Iain Christie
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"If patience is a virtue then persistence is it's part.
It's better to light a candle than stand and curse the dark"
- James Keelaghan
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"If patience is a virtue then persistence is it's part.
It's better to light a candle than stand and curse the dark"
- James Keelaghan